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GliderGuider

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8. To be clear, my point is not that PO theory was wrong (that's a different discussion)
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:00 AM
Aug 2015

Last edited Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Just that the response of the PO community was far too narrow and in addition was emotionally biased. Not that this should come as a surprise to anyone - we are limbic critters trying to comprehend a very complex system, so such responses are par for the course.

This goes for the parties to all social debates, whether they're about energy, the environment, politics, economics, morality or any other such topic. These are complex, emotional topics, so people bring their unavoidably limited knowledge, their emotional limbic systems and their entrenched belief systems to the table. It's no wonder the debates turn acrimonious at the drop of a hat - there is a lot of opportunity for friction on many levels, and most of us have little training in how to remain objective in such situations.

On edit: The PO community got fixated on defining a time frame before the underlying theory had been properly explored and validated. The validation would be difficult, because it had to take into account such a wide variety of soft factors. Economic situations, the technical and economic feasibility of substituting for non-oil energy sources, political willingness to support substitution vs. investing in more imports or extraction capacity, the willingness of national populations to switch between sources or pay higher prices for oil - all of these needed to be considered in both regional and national contexts, and all of them affect oil production numbers. This is a task that the amateur PO community was not up to. As a result we result ignored the complexity and tried to determine peak dates and price behaviour anyway. It was a fool's errand from the get-go, no matter how valid the purely geophysical aspects of the theory.

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"worst-case thinking" bias (AKA “doomer” bias) OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #1
Yes, the same bias is part of my lowball estimate of our sustainability. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #2
I'm lightening up a bit on my position regarding sustainable population levels GliderGuider Aug 2015 #11
“I characterize my lowball estimates as one end of a probability distribution curve.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #12
Yep. Conditions change, and our knowledge of the factors involved do as well. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #13
“That goes for people too.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #14
Why haven’t we had a “World War” recently? GliderGuider Aug 2015 #15
World Wars strike me as “group” activities OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #17
Apology accepted. bananas Aug 2015 #3
You're most welcome. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #4
Very mature position FBaggins Aug 2015 #6
"Peak Oil" was the optimistic view. That filthy stuff is destroying the world. hunter Aug 2015 #5
I think this post, plus the OP, plus one of GG's former posts... FBaggins Aug 2015 #7
To be clear, my point is not that PO theory was wrong (that's a different discussion) GliderGuider Aug 2015 #8
Peak Oil seemed to be a type of psychological operation Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #9
Peak oil has two huge problems, that generally are ignored till it is to late. happyslug Aug 2015 #10
Excellent post. It's a complex problem. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #16
Psychology is a real stumbling block in group dynamics GliderGuider Aug 2015 #18
I’m going to go with “A major obstacle.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #19
I think the bandwagon underestimated the establishment psychology cprise Aug 2015 #20
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