Israel/Palestine

Jefferson23

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33. Yea, there is and you're still in fantasy land. n/t

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Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:23 PM

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Two Assailants Killed in Three Jerusalem Stabbing Attacks [View all] Jefferson23 Nov 2015 OP

I have a 13 year old. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #1

Their families will be extremely well compensated by the PA 6chars Nov 2015 #2

Plus, if the assailant dies, they gain the added COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #3

Child soldiers are child soldiers, no matter what organization recruits them. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #4

They have no leaders, that's how people get radicalized, when they have no leaders geek tragedy Nov 2015 #5

Even rabble rousers are leaders. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #6

in Israel/Palestine, there's no way to solve the small scale problems without solving the large geek tragedy Nov 2015 #7

To say we must solve the large scale problesm is saying there is nothing we can do. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #8

no, saying we must solve the large scale problems is saying we must solve the large scale geek tragedy Nov 2015 #9

Exactly. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #10

I will have say that I disagree. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #11

oh, so you blame poor people for all of their problems, got it geek tragedy Nov 2015 #12

No, I am a father and I am active in my community Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #13

that is a very middle class, sheltered rationale for blaming geek tragedy Nov 2015 #14

You know, it was mostly the poor who marched with Martin Luther King Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #15

well of course human beings are not merely the expressions of their own oppression geek tragedy Nov 2015 #16

Go back and read through what I wrote, without reading between the lines. I put no words there. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #18

asdf geek tragedy Nov 2015 #21

You just delcared these communities powerless. That there is nothing they can do improve their lot Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #50

under military occupation by a foreign power? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #53

So you are still saying these peole are utterly helpless to work with other members of their Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #54

the vast majority of Palestinian children aren't going geek tragedy Nov 2015 #55

You don't have to accept it, but you would need information to know if the childrens Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #17

I think civil disobedience is an important tool that communities have. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #19

I will add that no one can, as we have seen throughout history, tell people this is it, get up Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #20

Their children are dying, comitting suicide, effectivly. The Palestinian authority doesn't care. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #51

Abbas is a tool for Israel...he is also a corrupt fool on many levels. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #52

Who's telling these kids life has no purpose? The PA, Hamas? shira Nov 2015 #22

Israeli policy. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #23

Nice try, Palestinian kids in the W.Bank have the same opportunities.... shira Nov 2015 #24

You live in the land of fantasy. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #25

There's nothing they can't do in the W.Bank. Gaza is another story (Hamas). shira Nov 2015 #26

You haven't made any argument, period. Your beliefs are based on pure fantasy, like I said. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #27

What's stopping Palestinians there from being doctors or lawyers? Nothing. shira Nov 2015 #28

Like I said, your beliefs are based on fantasy. I provided documentation that details Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #29

There's nothing stopping Palestinians from living full lives. shira Nov 2015 #30

Pure fantasy, like I said...see links in my previous post. Repeating yourself won't help you. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #31

There's nothing in those links showing Palestinians in the W.Bank..... shira Nov 2015 #32

Yea, there is and you're still in fantasy land. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #33

No there isn't. I challenge you to find anything like that in those links. n/t shira Nov 2015 #35

HA HA HA HA. You brought nothing to support your claims nor anything to refute the Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #37

Couldn't find anything in those links? Just acknowledge it. n/t shira Nov 2015 #39

Like I have said, pure fantasy on your part. Post links to non opinion pieces at any Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #40

In other words, your links don't prove anything. shira Nov 2015 #42

Then post a linked report, your word is not enough. You were given reports that Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #45

yes all true especially if they leave Palestine well if they're allowed to leave that is azurnoir Nov 2015 #34

Really? What stops Palestinians from owning land under PA administration? shira Nov 2015 #36

limited land area and limited opportunity to practice ones profession azurnoir Nov 2015 #41

What? Do you just make this up as you go along? shira Nov 2015 #43

Do you? azurnoir Nov 2015 #46

This was her claim, then she felt she needed to clarify they can be doctors or lawyers. lol Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #38

well on a global basis if you wish to compare Palestinian children to those in Sudan or Bangladesh azurnoir Nov 2015 #44

I believe her point is the oppression only comes through Gaza and Hamas..as she Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #48

True that but I was pointing out how far one has to go to mke the comparison valid azurnoir Nov 2015 #56

Yep. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #57

(Video) Palestinians: How much do you suffer under occupation? shira Nov 2015 #47

Yea, that totally challenges the reports from the UN and B'tselem. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #49

B'tselem? Their top guy found through his research there was no Holocaust.... shira Nov 2015 #58

One report is from the UN, the other B'tselem. You have told that completely false statement over Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #59

Nothing false about my statement on B'tselem. Their top researcher concluded..... shira Nov 2015 #60

He was not a top anything, he took photographs and he was fired and you persist Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #61

Defending the indefensible? Classy. Atef wasn't just a photographer...... shira Nov 2015 #62

Your own link supports what I said not you, he did not write any reports. They fired him. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #63

Don't backtrack. You claimed he was just a photographer. That report shows Atef Abu Rub.... shira Nov 2015 #64

Your own link indicates otherwise. He is listed as a photographer and a data Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #65

Haaretz 2010 article shows he's an investigator, reporting the following.... shira Nov 2015 #66

You already have a response. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #68

You said earlier he just took photographs. Nice try though. n/t shira Nov 2015 #70

Yea, and a data coordinator. I don't have to try hard with you, shira. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #72

It gets worse for you, yea. He was INTERVIEWED. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #67

An investigator also described by B'tselem as a field researcher.... shira Nov 2015 #69

See that word, photographer..his main job. As a photographer, he goes in the field to, you know..... Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #71

Here's an article based almost entirely on Abu Rub's field research... shira Nov 2015 #73

You understand that anyone's data is verified and they would have taken it down if that was Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #74

LoL. Case closed. shira Nov 2015 #75

You're accussing an entire organization of colluding against Israel, they verify their information Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #76

It happens repeatedly with B'tselem employees. Jessica Montell outraged @ Lizi Sagie.... shira Nov 2015 #78

You don't believe them, I get that and you also do not appreciate their efforts to keep Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #79

That's 2 employees, not just one. I understand you don't want to discuss that.... shira Nov 2015 #80

You keep adding more on your edits: They fired him. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #77

Their top guy? wow what a promotion for a photographer azurnoir Nov 2015 #81