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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
43. So you're telling me...
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:41 AM
Mar 2013

That as it was being built - that is, when it was even less complete... it was more effective, and that Shin bet and the IDF have not the first fucking clue what they're talking about?

'Cause really, it's not as though terrorists were driving the buses over the Green Line like guided missles of public transportation. They were boarding them while wearing or carrying bombs. And as we've just seen, the wall has lots of gaps now, and it had more then. I don't put a lot of stock on the cognitive abilities of a dude who's set to blow himself up like that, but I figure that they at least have enough sense to figure out how to get past a gap-filled wall. I mean could be wrong, could have been some dude sranding at the last pilon of the wall going "well fuck," I don't know. But I doubt it.

You know it probably would have gone up faster, at less expense, if it didn't weave through the West Bank like a concrete wino, right? It'd certainly be easier to patrol in that case as well. Taking longer to build a less secure perimeter at greater expense doesn't sound like "urgent security measure" to me.

Did the construction follow some weird Tibetan sacred geometry, or did they let a three-legged donkey do the surveying? if the latter, that might actually explain the preponderance of Palestinian farmland that just happened to end up on the wrong side of the wall. And the handful of encircled towns and whatnot. But again, following a wobbly ass through the hills doesn't strike me as "urgent security measure." Though it sounds a little fun.

I'm not bothered by the checkpoints or intelligence-gathering on principle (though I think we can both acknowledge that sometimes the execution leaves something to be desired). I wouldn't even be bothered by a bigass wall going up along the Green Line - like I said, no problem with what's being built on the Egypt border, or what Egypt is building at the Gaza border to stop tunnels - But you're not going to tell me that an easily-scaled, gap-filled, largely unpatrolled wall that weaves and ducks through other people's backyards and just happens to annex those yards to your own (and occasionally walls up your neighbor's house), that took five years to not-completely-build, is a highly-effective and integral measure for security.

Especially when the agencies charged with such things as security are saying it's not.

I mean you can try, but I think your time is better-spent taking your tippy equine for a hike

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Cynicism at its best dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #1
It's cynical alright, but I don't think that was its main thrust. cali Mar 2013 #2
Yes it is powerful dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #4
"the U.S. president" keywords there though. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #14
I found this curious--particularly since it seems to be a custom that predates DNA.... MADem Mar 2013 #3
Wow, you read this & you wouldn't know Israelis are constantly under attack.... shira Mar 2013 #5
. . . and that excuses everything, right? leveymg Mar 2013 #7
So are Palestinians. But that's not entirely germane cali Mar 2013 #9
The article makes it appear Israel just started doing checkpoints.... shira Mar 2013 #23
No it's not a smear job. That it has a perspective doesn't make it one. cali Mar 2013 #26
It's fascinating to see what u view as bigoted & rightwing WRT Israel/Palestine shira Mar 2013 #29
You mean the dog shit you regularly post from propaganda outlets cali Mar 2013 #33
gosh cali you just attacked me for simply agreeing azurnoir Mar 2013 #34
Arutz Sheva and FrontPageMag? Are you confusing me w/ someone else? shira Mar 2013 #35
you completely missed shira's point Mosby Mar 2013 #36
with all due respect azurnoir Mar 2013 #37
AFAIK, those are WRT Palestinian ID cards, not Israeli ones.... shira Mar 2013 #38
not Israeli ones.... Israeli Mar 2013 #40
Actually I'm still puzzled by that "security fence" Scootaloo Mar 2013 #39
timelines...important part of demonization.... pelsar Mar 2013 #41
So you're telling me... Scootaloo Mar 2013 #43
no..i'm teaching you...what you dont know....ready? pelsar Mar 2013 #48
"either you dont know" King_David Mar 2013 #46
thank you very much for posting. Someone has to tell the truth and expose the lies. Thank you Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #6
Don't thank me. I didn't write it. I just posted it cali Mar 2013 #10
How Obama Became Netanyahu by Peter Beinart Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #8
Theocracies are always a mess. n/t fasttense Mar 2013 #11
Israel is not a theocracy oberliner Mar 2013 #15
I'd agree with that to some degree: Israel is not a pure theocracy but cali Mar 2013 #18
Fair point JoDog Mar 2013 #28
So, the government does NOT require a person in Israel to identify their religion? fasttense Mar 2013 #42
There are Atheists, Xtians, & Muslims in the Knesset, Supreme Court, etc. n/t shira Mar 2013 #44
Thanks, I did not know that. fasttense Mar 2013 #45
Yes Israeli Mar 2013 #47
Everyone has a story and the violence is bound up glowing Mar 2013 #12
I'm sorry, but at this point all things are not equal cali Mar 2013 #13
Then how does it end? How do the people move forward? glowing Mar 2013 #21
It doesnt. They don't. quakerboy Mar 2013 #27
She is an American stand-up comedian oberliner Mar 2013 #16
Why would you think it's tongue-in-cheek simply because she's a comedian? cali Mar 2013 #17
Because comedians often write parodies oberliner Mar 2013 #24
you are genuinely psychosocially incapable of honesty, ain't you Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #19
I don't believe that's true about Oberliner cali Mar 2013 #20
sorry, you are probably right about his not enriching the discussion Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #22
I understand. It is painful. I don't think a peace agreement is possible either. cali Mar 2013 #25
FWiW azurnoir Mar 2013 #30
Ugh. cali Mar 2013 #31
thank you cali azurnoir Mar 2013 #32
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