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HysteryDiagnosis

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Wed Dec 21, 2011, 09:17 PM Dec 2011

Reversing disease by reading random postings on a message board. [View all]

It happens.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21388622
Atherosclerosis. 2011 Jun;216(2):395-401. Epub 2011 Feb 17.
Reversal of mitochondrial dysfunction by coenzyme Q10 supplement improves endothelial function in patients with ischaemic left ventricular systolic dysfunction: a randomized controlled trial.
Dai YL, Luk TH, Yiu KH, Wang M, Yip PM, Lee SW, Li SW, Tam S, Fong B, Lau CP, Siu CW, Tse HF.
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Cardiology Division, Department of Medicine, The University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong.
Abstract
AIMS:

Coronary artery disease (CAD) is associated with endothelial dysfunction and mitochondrial dysfunction (MD). The aim of this study was to investigate whether co-enzyme Q10 (CoQ) supplementation, which is an obligatory coenzyme in the mitochondrial respiratory transport chain, can reverse MD and improve endothelial function in patients with ischaemic left ventricular systolic dysfunction (LVSD).
METHODS AND RESULTS:

We performed a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial to determine the effects of CoQ supplement (300 mg/day, n=28) vs. placebo (controls, n=28) for 8 weeks on brachial flow-mediated dilation (FMD) in patients with ischaemic LVSD(left ventricular ejection fraction <45%). Mitochondrial function was determined by plasma lactate/pyruvate ratio (LP ratio). After 8 weeks, CoQ-treated patients had significant increases in plasma CoQ concentration (treatment effect 2.20 &#956;g/mL, P<0.001) and FMD (treatment effect 1.51%, P=0.03); and decrease in LP ratio (treatment effect -2.46, P=0.03) compared with controls. However, CoQ treatment did not alter nitroglycerin-mediated dilation, blood pressure, blood levels of fasting glucose, haemoglobin A1c, lipid profile, high-sensitivity C-reactive protein and oxidative stress as determined by serum superoxide dismutase and 8-isoprostane (all P>0.05). Furthermore, the reduction in LP ratio significantly correlated with improvement in FMD (r=-0.29, P=0.047).
CONCLUSION:

In patients with ischaemic LVSD, 8 weeks supplement of CoQ improved mitochondrial function and FMD; and the improvement of FMD correlated with the change in mitochondrial function, suggesting that CoQ improved endothelial function via reversal of mitochondrial dysfunction in patients with ischaemic LVSD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21462215
Coenzyme Q10 terclatrate and creatine in chronic heart failure: a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study.
Fumagalli S, Fattirolli F, Guarducci L, Cellai T, Baldasseroni S, Tarantini F, Di Bari M, Masotti G, Marchionni N.
Source

Department of Critical Care Medicine and Surgery, Unit of Gerontology and Geriatrics, University of Florence and Azienda Ospedaliero-Universitaria Careggi, Florence, Italy. fumadue@tin.it
Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Studies have suggested that micronutrient deficiency has some role in the progression of chronic heart failure (CHF).
HYPOTHESIS:

Oral supplementation with coenzyme Q(10) (CoQ(10)) and creatine may reduce mitochondrial dysfunction that contributes to impaired physical performance in CHF.
METHODS:

We conducted a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial to determine the effect of a mixture of water-soluble CoQ(10) (CoQ(10) terclatrate; Q-ter) and creatine on exercise tolerance and health-related quality of life. Exercise tolerance was measured as total work capacity (kg·m) and peak oxygen consumption (VO(2), mL/min/kg), both from a cardiopulmonary exercise test. Health-related quality of life was measured by the Sickness Impact Profile (SIP) in CHF secondary to left ventricular systolic dysfunction (left ventricular ejection fraction &#8804; 35%). After baseline assessment, 67 patients with stable CHF were randomized to receive Q-ter 320 mg + creatine 340 mg (n = 35) or placebo (n = 32) once daily for 8 weeks.
RESULTS:

At multivariate analysis, 8-week peak VO(2) was significantly higher in the active treatment group than in the placebo group (+1.8 ± 0.9 mL/min/kg, 95% CI: 0.1-3.6, P < 0.05). No untoward effects occurred in either group.
CONCLUSIONS:

This study suggests that oral Q-ter and creatine, added to conventional drug therapy, exert some beneficial effect on physical performance in stable systolic CHF. Results may support the design of larger studies aimed at assessing the long-term effects of this treatment on functional status and harder outcomes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20657530
Investigation of Pycnogenol® in combination with coenzymeQ10 in heart failure patients (NYHA II/III).
Belcaro G, Cesarone MR, Dugall M, Hosoi M, Ippolito E, Bavera P, Grossi MG.
Source

Irvine3 Labs, Department Biomedical Sciences, Chieti-Pescara University, Pescara, Italy. cardres@abol.it
Abstract
AIM:

In this study we investigated benefits of a Pycnogenol - coenzyme Q10 combination (PycnoQ10) taken as an adjunct to medical treatment in stable heart failure patients. The aim of this single-blinded, 12-week observational study was to provide functional parameters such as exercise capacity, ejection fraction and distal edema.
METHODS:

The essential element for inclusion was a stable level of heart failure within the past three months and stable NYHA class II or III (6 months). The heart failure management was in accordance with AHA guidelines for "best treatment." The treatment and control groups were comparable at baseline. The mean age of the PycnoQ10-treated patients was 61.3+/-7.1 years and 62.1+/-3.7 in the control group. All patients were taking medication and most patients (>75%) used three or more drugs for heart failure treatment. There were two dropouts in the PycnoQ10 treatment group and 6 in the control group (5 NYHA III patients).
RESULTS:

Nine PycnoQ10 treated patients (out of 32) and 3 (out of 21) taking placebo improved NYHA class. Systolic and diastolic pressure as well as heart rate and respiratory rate were significantly lowered with PycnoQ10 as compared to the control group (P<0.05). No significant changes were observed in controls. Heart ejection fraction increased by 22.4% in the treatment group (P<0.05) versus 4.0% in controls. Walking distance on treadmill increased 3.3-fold in PycnoQ10 treated patients (P<0.05) but marginally improved in the control group. Distal edema decreased significantly in PycnoQ10 treated patients and only slightly in controls.
CONCLUSION:

The association of Pycnogenol and CoQ10 may offer an important therapeutic option with a very good tolerability that improves heart failure management without side effects.

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I didn't read through all of the content EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #1
Sure you understand. It's in my sig. The absence of key energy producing/converting enzymes, HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #3
Are you saying rockets are more complicated than the humans? HuckleB Dec 2011 #5
In a way yes... they are much harder to fly for one thing...on the other hand, key energy HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #8
That's quite the convoluted answer, followed by a classic red herring. HuckleB Dec 2011 #9
When you have read the Toxic Metal Syndrome, The Coenzyme Q10 Phenomenon, The Lipoic Acid HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #12
In other words, you believe those who choose to push selected preliminary studies as evidence ... HuckleB Dec 2011 #23
Correlation and Causation trotsky Dec 2011 #10
So it's your goal to get as many people as possible to buy supplements? laconicsax Dec 2011 #6
Goal is to reduce the ridiculous, lower healthcare costs, improve the quality of life for those who HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #13
Well, by making posts with an unrelated subject and message, you're certainly doing something... laconicsax Dec 2011 #19
Your sig promotes someone who appears to be a cholesterol denialist who also rails against vaccines. HuckleB Dec 2011 #11
Rails against vaccines?? I call bullshit.... that is slander in the third degree. I think I'll send HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #16
Thank you for proving my point. HuckleB Dec 2011 #21
+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Dec 2011 #4
How do either of those studies have anything to do with your subject? kdmorris Dec 2011 #2
Read the conclusions, the answers are there. n/t HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #17
No, they are not kdmorris Dec 2011 #20
I don't get it. Chemisse Dec 2011 #7
I am pushing so that someone somewhere will do something that gets it prescribed to patients HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #14
I think you need to understand the effect your posts have EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #18
People who work on the medical field know exactly what this stuff means. n'/t HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #28
And? EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #29
Well, the idea is to present some medical language in the hopes of supporting MineralMan Dec 2011 #30
The audience which consists of about 4 people it would seem, can read a conclusion indicating HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #34
I don't mean to give you a hard time and I appreciate your response. Chemisse Dec 2011 #24
If you read my sig and realize that Dr. Sinatra is a cardiologist of probably 40 years or better it HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #15
Thank you for offering another logical fallacy. HuckleB Dec 2011 #22
Tis the season to not see you, fa la la la la I don't see you. n/t HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #27
You must be referring to the Ignore feature. MineralMan Dec 2011 #31
I'm referring to the little strips of sticky notes I have cut and placed on my monitor wherever HB HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #32
Try this: laconicsax Dec 2011 #33
And what will I do with these 300 or so strips of paper?? Here is a conclusion that HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #35
You could grind them up and sell them as supplements. laconicsax Dec 2011 #37
Interesting that you would go there, when this is about helping people find a HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #38
You may find this link interesting: laconicsax Dec 2011 #39
Nope.... you may find this interesting... and realize that the supplements used are the HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #40
9 out of 32! laconicsax Dec 2011 #42
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh. n/t HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #43
Thats PROOF! Dammit. PROOF! MineralMan Dec 2011 #45
72% didn't respond to treatment! What more could you ask for to show that PycnoQ10 works ? laconicsax Dec 2011 #46
Well, natch! MineralMan Dec 2011 #47
Have you been told that elevated homocysteine levels are a good indicator HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #36
Have you been told that assumptions are a poor way to discuss matters of health? HuckleB Dec 2011 #48
Do you realize that you don't know a thing about the topic at hand? Also you are unwilling to even HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #52
How would you know what I know? HuckleB Dec 2011 #55
Unfortunately, I can't take any doctor at face value kdmorris Dec 2011 #25
Dr. Sinatra is also a web merchant, selling products MineralMan Dec 2011 #26
How conveniently you ignore the printed page right in front of your face. n/t HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #41
I ignore nothing. I did a pretty thorough look at Dr. Sinatra's supplement sales site. MineralMan Dec 2011 #44
Here is the difference in simple layman's terms. HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #49
What are the n values on those studies, 12? laconicsax Dec 2011 #50
Let's see if your math is strong. Say you have 9 people who benefit from a non toxic HysteryDiagnosis Dec 2011 #51
And 73% get no benefit! laconicsax Dec 2011 #53
That study was too small to produce any meaningful data. MineralMan Dec 2011 #54
What makes you think I need things put in "simple, laymen's terms?" MineralMan Dec 2011 #56
The poster in question EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #57
So I understand. Thanks for letting me know. MineralMan Dec 2011 #58
Sorry but anyone who writes on his board something so ridiculous as: LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #59
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