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jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. The RIGHT trainer is a good idea.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:00 AM
Oct 2013

They should never have put the dog in the position to be grabbed. Not being judgmental, just a fact. And grabbing the collar is quite often a good way to get bit. No excuses, don't blame the dog for running after him, it's those who have thumbs that are engineering this. And as you said, if they send her back she's dead, in most shelters. That is true.

It's their decision, of course. There are alternatives, but they do need to take immediate steps now.

The big clue is when you said "since our daughter is the one doing most of the work in obedience and in correcting her, she's shifted her affections". If that were me, I would be giving great treats, lots of praise, building trust - there would be no reason for the dog to "shift her affections". But I have seen trainers who (again, not saying your daughter, it's just an example) think that they can physically compel them, spank them, yank their collars, etc, and somehow the dog is going to learn anything other than that they are a source of discomfort, at best.

Your daughter may need to learn how to train Sandy differently. It may be that she is trying to "compel" her, rather than "reinforce good behavior", and those are two completely different schools of thought. (An analogy is paddling kids for bad behavior vs reinforcing the behavior that is desired. The first one just teaches them to avoid you when they want to behave that way, the second teaches them that there are good results from changing their behavior).

Again, don't take this wrong, not judging, it's just a matter of different training approaches. The reason I mention it is because if she looks for a trainer who is into "compelling" (i.e. dog whisperer guy - who gets a fair amount of bites, according to his own words, btw) she might be disappointed, the dog could get hurt or have the spirit knocked out of her, your daughter hurt further, and sandy could wind up in the shelter anyway. I've seen it happen more than once

Suggest she look around and talk to some trainers that focus on positive reinforcement, who would help them engineer ways so that her dog is not put in a position to feel the need to bite, display aggression, etc., so they can then concentrate on associating good behavior with positive things.

Really good book out there - The Culture Clash, Jean Donaldson. She built the training program for the SF SPCA, and it's an amazing book. It has the power to completely re-arrange your (and her) thinking about dogs and behavior.

Good luck.

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I'm not sure what to recommend other than a professional... 2theleft Oct 2013 #1
Thank you for your response. phylny Oct 2013 #2
As above, a knowledgeable pro may be best. Wilms Oct 2013 #3
The RIGHT trainer is a good idea. jtuck004 Oct 2013 #4
the right training combines positive reinforcement with discipline TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #6
"Punishment" is the domain of bullies and ignorant, uneducated cowards. jtuck004 Oct 2013 #10
Well, clearly you're extraordinarily confused TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #13
"the words discipline, correction and punishment" are easily defined with any pysch 101 textbook jtuck004 Oct 2013 #14
these ARE words from professionals TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #15
Animals are where they got a good portion of that research for Psych 101. jtuck004 Oct 2013 #16
Is your daughter already attached to the dog? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #5
Did the dog break the skin? roody Oct 2013 #7
That's what I was wondering. LisaLynne Oct 2013 #8
I'd definitely recommend getting a professional trainer to work with the family AndyA Oct 2013 #9
Sincere and heartfelt thanks to everyone who responded here. phylny Oct 2013 #11
The older it gets the worse it might become. ErikJ Oct 2013 #12
See if you can find a good trainer that also works in agility. Walk away Oct 2013 #17
Sad news tonight - Sandy bit her again, this time puncture wounds phylny Nov 2013 #18
Oh no, this is really a shame TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #21
So sorry to hear this. Your daughter is not a filure. Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #19
Fear Agression is one of the most difficult problems to deal with. Walk away Nov 2013 #20
The dog was returned yesterday. phylny Nov 2013 #22
Very sorry to hear about this CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #23
ditto to all that TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #26
Sad sick world CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #27
Oh no! TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #25
removed get the red out Nov 2013 #24
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