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bossy22

(3,547 posts)
25. Alot of problems- Mainly because IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRIED BEFORE
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jan 2013

well atleast part of it. I'm going to break it down into 2 seperate catagories

Record of sales: From 1968-1986 all handgun ammo sales had to be recorded (requirement was name, adress, age, drivers license number). Mail order sales were banned. It was found that such information was of no use to police. why? because tracking only works if their is a discernable pattern which you can track. Most ammo sales were the purchaser planned to use it for illegal activities did not differ (in amount or type) than regular everyday joes buying for hunting, target, or defense shooting. There was just no difference in buying patters. To put it scientifically, it had 100% sensitivity and 0% specificity.

Background checks: background checks sound good on the surface- hey, we are making sure that only law abiding people buy ammo- but in reality would do very little. The reason for this is that the smaller and more widely produced an item is, the harder it is to track. Essentially all that you would garuntee would be that a guy with a rap sheet can't buy from a store- but that isn't stopping him from having someone else buy it for him (ammo straw purchase). Even if you made that illegal, there is just no way to enforce it. Ammo doesn't have a serial number and you still fall into the same problems as the record of sales- you cannot determine a pattern difference between straw ammo buyers- you would be searching for waldo in a sea of waldo look alikes. The amount of resources that would be required to even make this worthwhile is well beyond what the nation's law enforcement can spare.

The only way for these hypothetical things to work would be to have a serial number on ever bullet. You would have to prohibit ammo transfers in almost all cases unless someone went through a dealer. You would have to ban reloading of ammunition- but the only way to do effectively enforce that would be to ban reloading equipment. Reloading equipment isn't technologically complicated and I garuntee you that if you ban reloading presses, someone would find some other peice of equipment that could do the job just as well. You would essentially have to heavilty regulate the entire metal-works industry. You would have have to treat anyone who owns any peice of equipment that can be used to modify metal (drill press, lathe..etc) as a potential criminal.

Essentially, this process would end up looking like "war on drugs". Lots and lots of money and resources being thrown at a problem with questionable results

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I don't have a problem with either if done reasonably ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #1
I think it's a good idea. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #2
All ammo purchases -and a searchable federal data base for large quantities jpak Jan 2013 #3
The government purchases large quantities. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #5
Who gets to search this database? Hangingon Jan 2013 #6
FBI - any law enforcement agency - Ammo tax jpak Jan 2013 #7
You have an odd definition of "large". ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #45
Correct. Skyline Jan 2013 #61
I bought one bucket of 22lr this week and it was 1400 rds rl6214 Jan 2013 #75
Sounds like a legit use, so safeinOhio Jan 2013 #87
Good idea on ammo purchases as safeinOhio Jan 2013 #86
Sales check on meth and bongs too. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #4
and background checks for Red Dawn rentals too jpak Jan 2013 #9
Works for me. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #79
someone should lay off the meth frylock Jan 2013 #31
cost? hassle of record-keeping? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #8
based on that argument, sounds like you want us to get rid of the DMV and car registration CreekDog Jan 2013 #78
based on that argument, sounds like you want registration of gasoline purchases JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #80
It will accompish nothing while costing much. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #10
Like the records kept Control-Z Jan 2013 #11
Those records are stupid to keep too. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #12
Accomplish?- identify ubergun nuts as threats to society jpak Jan 2013 #13
So the state has a list of people that buy a lot of ammo. krispos42 Jan 2013 #16
Drone Strike jpak Jan 2013 #19
"protection orders" krispos42 Jan 2013 #21
OK - so a douchebag buys 10 guns and 10,000 rounds of ammo in a month jpak Jan 2013 #33
You know what they say about... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #59
from or against what/whome? ileus Jan 2013 #28
Here's a prime candidate.... jpak Jan 2013 #38
With our current DHS philosophy, possibly any of the above cbrer Jan 2013 #81
Do you mean Berserker Jan 2013 #71
Those are to enforce a limit on sudefed purchases krispos42 Jan 2013 #17
Stop this crimnal bull shit will you? upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
Rampage shooters don't use a lot of ammo either. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #30
You mean these rampage shooters? jpak Jan 2013 #67
Those were not rampage shooters. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #69
What horseshit - it was a shooting rampage - ask the cops jpak Jan 2013 #82
Spin Spin Spin Berserker Jan 2013 #73
Anyone who shouldn't have ammunition should either be in prison or a mental hospital slackmaster Jan 2013 #14
Same problem as showing photo ID to vote krispos42 Jan 2013 #15
I think background checks have helped a lot safeinOhio Jan 2013 #88
Why? madville Jan 2013 #18
A convicted felon can now walk out of Walmart with a truckload of ammo jpak Jan 2013 #20
Criminals don't use truckloads of ammo. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #22
"The only people inconvenienced by your law would be legal gun owners." guardian Jan 2013 #24
The same as all gun laws....it's about control. They don't like what they can't control. ileus Jan 2013 #29
Felons don't need ammo period - why do you want them to buy ammo? jpak Jan 2013 #34
How are you going to stop them from getting some? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #43
You can start by stopping them from buying them legally at Walmart jpak Jan 2013 #47
So he has his wife/girlfriend pick up a box of ammo for him. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #52
Another asshole that will be convicted of a felony and banned from buying ammo jpak Jan 2013 #53
Only if caught and convicted. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #83
If there were ammo sales records, law enforcement could connect the dots jpak Jan 2013 #84
How? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #85
Good argument to require safeinOhio Jan 2013 #89
It has been done before. It didn't accomplish anything. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #91
That's already a felony madville Jan 2013 #23
No it is not jpak Jan 2013 #48
Yes it is illegal for a felon to receive or possess ammunition already madville Jan 2013 #58
But they can BUY ammo with no questions asked jpak Jan 2013 #68
Thanks to the shrill cries of gun-control extremists... Clames Jan 2013 #32
LOL!!!!!111 Gunners want felons to buy ammo jpak Jan 2013 #36
Reasonable people... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #39
Guns everywhere by everybody doesn't stop criminals jpak Jan 2013 #41
You still haven't explained... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #46
Yeah - banning felons from buying ammo won't stop tax cheats jpak Jan 2013 #49
You don't mean that. beevul Jan 2013 #51
LOL!!! Your failure of reading comprehension. Clames Jan 2013 #40
So why do you want felons to buy ammo? jpak Jan 2013 #42
Show exactly where I stated I did? Clames Jan 2013 #56
Alot of problems- Mainly because IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRIED BEFORE bossy22 Jan 2013 #25
Yeah - way before personal computers were widely used jpak Jan 2013 #35
you obviously aren't an IT person bossy22 Jan 2013 #55
Was Lanza or the CO shooter Bay Boy Jan 2013 #62
Wouldn't that just be a target list for confiscation? dkf Jan 2013 #27
Red Dawn was only a movie - it was not real jpak Jan 2013 #37
Problem is, the grab nuts have made their intentions clear. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #44
Paranoia is a mental illness - that can be used to grab your guns jpak Jan 2013 #50
Would you have a problem shadowrider Jan 2013 #54
What... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #57
It would be OK if... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #63
No - I want squadrons of Black Helicopters deploying Squads of Jackbooted Blue Helmets jpak Jan 2013 #72
no dude. black helmets - who needs a warrant when you have guns and drones? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #77
I think it is a great idea. We need to keep lists on everybody about every little thing they do. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #60
The problem is usually with the implementation details. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #64
'Background checks' who said there's a problem? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #65
I remember many years ago that sales records for any handgun ammo was tracked ... spin Jan 2013 #66
spin, what would an ID check do? It's easily avoided and ammunition can be used by anyone. jody Jan 2013 #70
Adding a code to a driver's license is a possibility that's worth considering ... spin Jan 2013 #74
What if they make their own? Publiuus Jan 2013 #76
Most criminals wouldn't have any idea safeinOhio Jan 2013 #90
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