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Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:12 PM

Why not start here... [View all]

I am reminded of the old saying "Everyone complains about the weather but no one does anything about it". Well the weather is beyond human control, mostly, but human influences are not.

For various reasons- and no need to throw stones- post Sandy Hook has been more of the same. Likely post Navy Yard will be more of the same. What can we brainstorm here to do about it?

IMO Universal Background Checks are the closest goal in reach. UBC has wide spread support, even among the majority of gun owners and NRA members, the exact percentage is quite irrelevant. Yet every attempt at strengthening the law is stillborn. How can we as Democrats, many of us in this group gun owners and others who do not own guns but have beliefs as passionate, start the change.

Congress would be best but we see 'it ain't gonna happen'.

So state level... Is it possible to form petition groups to get referendums on the ballot? With the wide support base, the People should be able to make their voices heard. What to do about non-referendum states? We like to think we are a smart group, let's have ideas.

We know the law will not be perfect, it will not catch everything, but it will help.
My concept:
-All sales of guns must pass an NCIS check.
-It can be done by dealers at a set rate or county level LE
-It will include sales to family members and inheritances.
-Gift transactions must be done within 60 days of the gift
-Loans do not need to go through a check
-a transfer of possession is considered a loan if the duration is less than 60 days. After that it is a gift and must be submitted to NCIS on day 60
-during the duration of the loan, the possessor of the gun is solely liable for any civil suit arising from negligence or misuse
-the owner of the gun may be held criminal liable as an accessory, or other applicable state law, for any criminal use of the gun by the borrower
-stolen guns must be reported within 7 days of the theft, or face a fine set by the state
-an owner of a stolen firearm is liable as if it were a loan until it is reported stolen or the owner is able to prove they could not have known it was stolen (House robbed while out or country or other verifiable extenuating circumstance)

Does anyone think this could start at the grassroots or am I wishing for a rainbow and a unicorn?

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