I think any workable proposal has to be (Reply #31)

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Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:49 PM

gejohnston (17,502 posts)

31. I think any workable proposal has to be

done by gunners. Does the FCC have Chinese Poetry scholars writing their regulations or radio guys and gals? Same concept. If it has to be on a state level, it should be from people within that state proposing it, not NYC employees registered as MAIG lobbyists. Of course keeping the Adam Kokeshes and Mike Bloombergs from making a mess of things would be the hard part.
Before we do anything new, I think we need to start with fixing what is already done be it my proposals for modernizing and reforming NFA to dealing with the real issues, some not gun related, with the DC Navy Yard. Things like:
How did Seattle PD screw up his 2004 arrest? Taking out a tire during a black out has Baker Act written all over it.
Why didn't the VA hospitalize him and report him to NICS when they knew he no longer shared the same reality as the rest of us?
After Rhode Island authorities reported to his employer about his filing a police report about being threatened by microwaves, why wasn't Defense Security Service notified? Or is DSS contracted out to some for profit company? Why didn't the Navy Yard's chain of command not clued in?

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59 replies	Author	Time	Post
Why not start here... [View all]	sarisataka	Sep 2013	OP
Get rid of the dealer requirement and family member requirement	bossy22	Sep 2013	#1
Ideally it would be open to the public	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#3
Frog in a hot pot technique	clffrdjk	Sep 2013	#20
I do believe there are some GC groups	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#23
Hope you are right	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#26
Since I am wishing for a rainbow and a unicorn...	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#27
Well, the unicorn among us may appear...	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#34
Agreed, good points	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#50
That is the dynamic I see with the NRA. It has become too successful...	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#55
It's a tough row to hoe. Maybe it's not so tough with people in the real world.	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#2
Some good ideas...	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#4
This part "use in a violent act" could be used to outlaw legal defensive use of a firearm.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#21
Great point. We would definitely have to refine the language to exclude defensive uses.	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#22
I get that universal background checks are the "low hanging fruit" of gun restriction proposals	Pullo	Sep 2013	#5
The baggage	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#10
Well, I can agree to a point.	Pullo	Sep 2013	#18
Some of this is tired language: I don't see UCB as "gun control" but	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#35
The concept of UBC is a good one.	ManiacJoe	Sep 2013	#6
There is a natural tendency	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#12
I like the purchase "permit" sytem	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#7
There are systems out there	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#11
it isn't about guns,	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#15
Compromise...	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#24
Registration is the fly in the ointment. nt	rrneck	Sep 2013	#8
So true	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#13
If the ACLU was serious about their objections to the early Manchin-Toomey	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#37
I would welcome the ACLU to join in	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#49
I feel your pain.	AtheistCrusader	Sep 2013	#9
I believe a few small steps would be a nice beginning	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#14
Full auto pieces only cost more because of the NFA registry.	AtheistCrusader	Sep 2013	#16
UBC and registration are a logical first step	mwrguy	Sep 2013	#17
How many more logical steps follow the first and why?	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#38
He is a gun banner. Wants to ban pump shotguns.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#40
When you hear "First step..." You have the measure of someone.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#41
That's a pretty solid clue, certainly	petronius	Sep 2013	#44
I wonder if the higher ups at DU share the.same outlook?	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#46
I give kudos to some in our companion group	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#48
I hope so. I welcome your ideas and plan of action.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#51
I haven't worked hard at drafting legislation in a very long time	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#53
Twitter and website	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#54
I would expect that crap from the NRA. But if the alternative is good enough, that will be	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#56
Navy Yard shooter had a "secret" security clearance.	jeepnstein	Sep 2013	#19
Mental health and NICS need some changes no doubt.	Pullo	Sep 2013	#25
Frankly, mass shootings are a diff breed of cat compared to the drone of violent crime.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#39
good	gopiscrap	Sep 2013	#28
I appreciate this thread, sarisataka. Rational, mature. I wish others could find it in their heart	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#29
I have hope still	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#30
I think any workable proposal has to be	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#31
I agree with your arguments. Any legislation will have to	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#42
thanks, had to make a couple of edits	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#45
No, and I hope he doesn't any crappy songs about the 7 seals. Animals deserve better.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#47
Change that "7days of a theft" to "7 days of the discovery of a theft".	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2013	#32
The discovery issue is two edged	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#33
I thought that I had lost a 20ga shotgun last week.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#36
Raining here, too (finally). Should sleep well tonight. Hope you are well.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#43
I've had that moment of panic	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#52
It is somewhat of a scary feeling ain't it.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#57
sounds good	Niceguy1	Sep 2013	#58
Open NCIS to the public	Riftaxe	Sep 2013	#59

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