Some of this is tired language: I don't see UCB as "gun control" but (Reply #35)

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Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

35. Some of this is tired language: I don't see UCB as "gun control" but

instead as gun rights protection. If someone is not eligible to possess a firearm, but nevertheless is found with one, then he/she is controlled, and the law-abiding gun-owners stand out with protected rights. Frame the debate terms more favorably.

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59 replies	Author	Time	Post
Why not start here... [View all]	sarisataka	Sep 2013	OP
Get rid of the dealer requirement and family member requirement	bossy22	Sep 2013	#1
Ideally it would be open to the public	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#3
Frog in a hot pot technique	clffrdjk	Sep 2013	#20
I do believe there are some GC groups	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#23
Hope you are right	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#26
Since I am wishing for a rainbow and a unicorn...	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#27
Well, the unicorn among us may appear...	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#34
Agreed, good points	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#50
That is the dynamic I see with the NRA. It has become too successful...	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#55
It's a tough row to hoe. Maybe it's not so tough with people in the real world.	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#2
Some good ideas...	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#4
This part "use in a violent act" could be used to outlaw legal defensive use of a firearm.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#21
Great point. We would definitely have to refine the language to exclude defensive uses.	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#22
I get that universal background checks are the "low hanging fruit" of gun restriction proposals	Pullo	Sep 2013	#5
The baggage	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#10
Well, I can agree to a point.	Pullo	Sep 2013	#18
Some of this is tired language: I don't see UCB as "gun control" but	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#35
The concept of UBC is a good one.	ManiacJoe	Sep 2013	#6
There is a natural tendency	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#12
I like the purchase "permit" sytem	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#7
There are systems out there	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#11
it isn't about guns,	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#15
Compromise...	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#24
Registration is the fly in the ointment. nt	rrneck	Sep 2013	#8
So true	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#13
If the ACLU was serious about their objections to the early Manchin-Toomey	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#37
I would welcome the ACLU to join in	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#49
I feel your pain.	AtheistCrusader	Sep 2013	#9
I believe a few small steps would be a nice beginning	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#14
Full auto pieces only cost more because of the NFA registry.	AtheistCrusader	Sep 2013	#16
UBC and registration are a logical first step	mwrguy	Sep 2013	#17
How many more logical steps follow the first and why?	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#38
He is a gun banner. Wants to ban pump shotguns.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#40
When you hear "First step..." You have the measure of someone.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#41
That's a pretty solid clue, certainly	petronius	Sep 2013	#44
I wonder if the higher ups at DU share the.same outlook?	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#46
I give kudos to some in our companion group	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#48
I hope so. I welcome your ideas and plan of action.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#51
I haven't worked hard at drafting legislation in a very long time	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#53
Twitter and website	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#54
I would expect that crap from the NRA. But if the alternative is good enough, that will be	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#56
Navy Yard shooter had a "secret" security clearance.	jeepnstein	Sep 2013	#19
Mental health and NICS need some changes no doubt.	Pullo	Sep 2013	#25
Frankly, mass shootings are a diff breed of cat compared to the drone of violent crime.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#39
good	gopiscrap	Sep 2013	#28
I appreciate this thread, sarisataka. Rational, mature. I wish others could find it in their heart	NYC_SKP	Sep 2013	#29
I have hope still	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#30
I think any workable proposal has to be	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#31
I agree with your arguments. Any legislation will have to	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#42
thanks, had to make a couple of edits	gejohnston	Sep 2013	#45
No, and I hope he doesn't any crappy songs about the 7 seals. Animals deserve better.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#47
Change that "7days of a theft" to "7 days of the discovery of a theft".	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2013	#32
The discovery issue is two edged	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#33
I thought that I had lost a 20ga shotgun last week.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#36
Raining here, too (finally). Should sleep well tonight. Hope you are well.	Eleanors38	Sep 2013	#43
I've had that moment of panic	sarisataka	Sep 2013	#52
It is somewhat of a scary feeling ain't it.	oneshooter	Sep 2013	#57
sounds good	Niceguy1	Sep 2013	#58
Open NCIS to the public	Riftaxe	Sep 2013	#59

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