Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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27. Immediately? Hardly.

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 03:55 AM

Jun 2015

What kind of "culture" immediately springs to the defence of guns, after a mass shooting?

So that "gun rights" advocates are all over the news, sucking up the oxygen. As if protecting gun rights is the most important thing - in fact the *only* thing.

The first peeps I heard about guns following this act of racist terrorism were from those who were taking this occasion to call for more gun control, ignoring the crux of the problem -- violent racism -- in order to beat their favorite drum. It's the same old story: We're supposed to shut up and let you take center stage while you wave the bloody shirt and call for a host of new laws that will fail to stop such incidents just as the numerous gun control laws that Roof violated failed to stop him.

And please spare us the "Then why have any laws at all?" nonsense, unless you can point out where we can find murder as a protected right in the Constitution. A free society has to walk a fine line between rights and restrictions. You could have a very safe society if you were willing to shred the Bill of Rights and lock up everyone who squawked. Is that what you want?

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In Europe, fewer mass killings due to culture not guns [View all] Panich52 Jun 2015 OP

"...AND NO guns". Fixed it! Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #1

Oh look, a useless provacative comment by Fred Sanders...but I repeat myself Shamash Jun 2015 #2

Yes part of the problem is allowing all those loners to have access to unlimited firepower... Human101948 Jun 2015 #4

Not really, you ignored the third paragraph: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author rainy Jun 2015 #30

Take heart Fred. The way you guys have been 'fixing' things lately hasn't gone unnoticed.N/T beevul Jun 2015 #5

What kind of "culture" immediately springs to the defence of guns, after a mass shooting? delrem Jun 2015 #6

"As if protecting gun rights is the most important thing - in fact the *only* thing." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #7

"It's more a reaction to attempts to gin up a moral panic by those using tragedy as a cover. " delrem Jun 2015 #10

Do you see mass shootings as an opportune time to promote new gun control measures? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #11

Yes, thats precisely what it is. beevul Jun 2015 #17

I say you're trying to deny the tragedy happened, delrem Jun 2015 #18

Of course you do. beevul Jun 2015 #19

You won't stop the discussion from taking place. delrem Jun 2015 #20

It would help the discussion greatly if you had informed yourself... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #22

Now you're just being snotty because your spin-doctoring was stopped cold. beevul Jun 2015 #36

Who was first in line to dump the usual gun-ban doctrines? Everytime. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #34

What kind of culture... Shamash Jun 2015 #9

Why are you so hepped about guns? delrem Jun 2015 #12

"Can't you get off your hobby-horse long enough to examine the facts, to examine the general... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #15

"violent racism and stochastic terrorism, not the technical methods used by racists/terrorists" delrem Jun 2015 #16

The Charleston attack was undoubtedly an act of violence fueled by racism... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #21

Of course it's not *your* problem. It's a stochastic problem! delrem Jun 2015 #23

It's *everybody's* problem- you, me, and everyone else friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #24

"Why are you so hepped about guns?" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #32

Immediately? Hardly. Straw Man Jun 2015 #27

The kind that is responding to immediate cries for gun seizures krispos42 Jun 2015 #31

Europe doesn't have fewer mass killings Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #8

Does that give you a sense of satisfaction? delrem Jun 2015 #13

Why would it cross your mind to suggest that? Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #25

What a sick and insulting thing to say. You should be ashamed. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #33

"That roadsign up ahead! You have just entered the Hide-Proof Zone." Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #35

Not to mention the Balkan war of 1912, 1914-1918, the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1920,... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #14

Wars are nations and ethnic groups going haywire. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #29

and this, The Cost of letting young people drift. elleng Jun 2015 #26

Yes. I have lived in societies in which hunting was pretty central to the life, and there JDPriestly Jun 2015 #28

This study should prompt a good discussion about why our culture is different. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #37