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Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
133. And I stand by what I said
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 02:25 PM
Mar 2012

What we now know as the United States was not a British Colony at the time of independence. France and Spain held more territory and even more was still unclaimed. Yet, after the Revolutionary War, the founding fathers, all of whom were English, btw, based their new country on English Law, government and culture.
The agricultural and industrial revolutions both began in England and continued in the US. Not so much in Europe.

The Agricultural Revolution in Britain proved to be a major turning point in history. The population in 1750 reached the level of 5.7 million. This had happened before: in around 1350 and again in 1650. Each time, either the appropriate agricultural infrastructure to support a population this high was not present or plague or war occurred (which may have been related), a Malthusian catastrophe occurred, and the population fell. However, by 1750, when the population reached this level again, an onset in agricultural technology and new methods without outside disruption, and also the effects of sugar imports, allowed the population growth to be sustained.

The increase in population led to more demand from the people for goods such as clothing. A new class of landless labourers, products of enclosure, provided the basis for cottage industry, a stepping stone to the Industrial Revolution. To supply continually growing demand, shrewd businessmen began to pioneer new technology to meet demand from the people. This led to the first industrial factories. People who once were farmers moved to large cities to get jobs in the factories. The British Agricultural Revolution not only made the population increase possible, but also increased the yield per agricultural worker, meaning that a larger percentage of the population could no longer work in agriculture but could and/or had to work in these new, post–Agricultural Revolution jobs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution


Regarding company towns - yes, I do know what a company town is. As I said, I am in one, where the company owns everything. The land, all housing, all jobs except local government jobs (police, teacher, paramedics). Detroit was probably not a good example, though I mentioned it to show how disastrous it can be to have a handful of companies, all engaged in the same industry, dominate the local economy. But, here is some good info on company towns in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_company_towns_in_the_United_States

Why is El Paso the safest town in the US? Why do you think? Have you been there? It's like asking "why isn't Guantanamo Bay like the rest of Cuba?".
More than 10% of the population works for the federal government, ICE, DEA, CBP, you name it. Unless you want to go to Juarez, there are 3 roads out of town. It's the most protected ungated community in the country.

OK, your uncle spoke German in his home. I'm not saying there aren't any who speak the tongue of their forefathers, just not too many. Chinese and other Asians, yes. Wonder why? They don't assimilate as easily into an Anglo culture, like Europeans do. Immigrant groups who stand out have always been subject to racism, which led to ghettoization and retention of language, like Cantonese or Yiddish. Italians learned to assimilate quickly and they had the best food to offer. I used to teach Italian in NYC and a couple of my students were born in Italy, but had forgotten the language and only remembered a few words of dialect. They, also, had never learned to read or write in their native language, like many immigrants. Spanish happens to be the native language of a huge proportion of our population, in spite of the right wing racists who would love to eliminate it. On that subject, here's a great piece my daughter sent me. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/opinion/sunday/the-benefits-of-bilingualism.html?_r=1

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Wal-Mart Sells Machine Guns! [View all] slackmaster Mar 2012 OP
Not machine guns Bosso 63 Mar 2012 #1
Please join me in educating Seth slackmaster Mar 2012 #2
Yeah, good luck with that. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #6
The firearm has little to do with the sporting side of it. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #8
"The firearm has little to do with the sporting side of it." Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #16
Assuming otherwise means one lacks reasoning skills, knowledge or both ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #93
can't hunt deer with an AR-15 gejohnston Mar 2012 #12
But this was in Paducah, KY? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #18
hunting regulations and gun laws are two different things gejohnston Mar 2012 #20
So, you can have a machine gun in Wyoming? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #59
you can in most states gejohnston Mar 2012 #60
How refreshing to know machine guns are available in most states. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #66
nothing made after 1986 gejohnston Mar 2012 #69
Sure, you can have that "puppy" if you have about 18K lying around. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #84
This is good. You're making things clearer for many people. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #99
that worked out so well in gejohnston Mar 2012 #100
DC and Chicago have the lowest suicide rates too Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #101
They are a controllers dream just like Chicago shadowrider Mar 2012 #103
Exactly, as all metropolitan areas should be. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #104
Really? Seriously? ObamaFTW2012 Mar 2012 #105
Yes, I'm serious. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #107
He has some mighty thick rose-colored glasses. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #109
If it's so harmonious why are the crime rates so high there? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #119
Why are the crime rates so high? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #121
What city listing are *you* looking at?!? X_Digger Mar 2012 #123
Interesting to note the absence of NYC, Chicago and LA Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #125
Notice Chicago's 'N/A' -- they don't report to the FBI correctly. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #126
So? gejohnston Mar 2012 #108
Really? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #110
No. gejohnston Mar 2012 #111
Oh boy! I'm having a Rashomon moment Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #114
I stand by what I said. gejohnston Mar 2012 #131
And I stand by what I said Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #133
"making things clearer"???? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #118
Sure you can. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #68
Cool, thanks for the update gejohnston Mar 2012 #112
I'm thimking real hard about building an upper in .300Whisper oneshooter Mar 2012 #115
So how do you hunt? oneshooter Mar 2012 #25
I hunt with a mouse and keyboard. And occasionally a fishing pole. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #31
Lots of seasons, game, and laws. Have to abide by all of them. oneshooter Mar 2012 #48
No, we had ducks and rabbits Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #56
Does the rifle meet the requirements for suitability for hunting? krispos42 Mar 2012 #63
I guess that varies from state to state. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #64
Yes, it does. ManiacJoe Mar 2012 #65
What would be wrong with an AR-15 or -10 pattern rifle for hunting? PavePusher Mar 2012 #71
Well, I think it's pretty subjective. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #81
"Sporting" is a stupid reason to hunt. If you're not out there with the primary purpose.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #87
No insinuation. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #89
Please have a talk with the person who posted #6 and #16. X_Digger Mar 2012 #91
Done. Have to see how long it survives... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #9
What's scary is, people will believe that shadowrider Mar 2012 #3
Believe what? That they are machine guns? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #7
Yes, it really does matter that they are not "technically", more important that they are not LEGALLY slackmaster Mar 2012 #10
Those are NOT machine guns shadowrider Mar 2012 #11
I'm fully aware of that. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #22
as I explained in my email to Seth gejohnston Mar 2012 #26
The M4 technically isn't even a machine gun..it's a automatic rifle. ileus Mar 2012 #53
no, it's not an automatic rifle; it's an assault rifle. provis99 Mar 2012 #57
Yes. Straw Man Mar 2012 #13
I'm aware of all that. Thanks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #34
so dishonesty and gejohnston Mar 2012 #15
Ouch! That was a bit rough GE Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #41
It does matter, because they do not remotely resemble machine guns in any meaningful way. NewMoonTherian Mar 2012 #17
My point is that most people don't know the difference Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #50
People don't know the difference. NewMoonTherian Mar 2012 #67
So it's other purpose might be what? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #70
Ignorance- either intentional or inadvertent is always bad. X_Digger Mar 2012 #74
As I say, that is why you guys need to educate us to what is legal. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #76
My message to them? Don't fall for the bullshit like in the video in the OP. X_Digger Mar 2012 #83
I agree 100% Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #88
They are used for long-range target practice. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #120
" These very expensive rifles are mostly used by civilians for long range target shooting." Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #124
The only "freak" I see is you. Leftist Agitator Mar 2012 #127
Sure, lots of people exercising 1A rights are freaks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #129
So people who shoot targets are freaks? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #128
From reading your posts, I'd have to say "Yes", absolutely. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #130
Here are some sporting 50 BMG rifles. oneshooter Mar 2012 #122
Does your boat have a motor, even an outboard? oneshooter Mar 2012 #28
I love it when you make the boating comparisons. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #52
Since the "technically" part means the difference between being a free Citizen and a felon.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #72
because ARs don't go with tweed and gejohnston Mar 2012 #75
"What has got you so exercised about this?" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #79
As a sailor, you should understand terminology one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #78
Hey, Brewster, I'm with you 100% on this Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #80
Hey, it's America. Land of the free, home of the brave. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #4
What an obnoxious asshole. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #5
What a moron. X_Digger Mar 2012 #14
Got to agree: NOT machine guns ewagner Mar 2012 #19
Only as harmful or harmless as the person behind the trigger? safeinOhio Mar 2012 #27
they already tuned out gejohnston Mar 2012 #40
I'm shocked and appalled guitar man Mar 2012 #21
(And for those who miss the tongue planted firmly in cheek-) Yes, they are the same gun :) n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #23
I'm with you and so are most sane people. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #24
they are the same gun gejohnston Mar 2012 #32
I know. Isn't it amazing? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #35
so what it looks like is gejohnston Mar 2012 #38
Well, only one will accept a 90 round magazine. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #42
you can put the gejohnston Mar 2012 #45
My bad. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #55
Uh, no. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #47
Wrong guitar man Mar 2012 #49
Well, waddyaknow? Got me there Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #54
"wake people up" to.... what, exactly? n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #73
To reality. We're all being educated here. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #77
Wake them up to what? rl6214 Mar 2012 #132
Agree 100% fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #85
Why would you say that? It is just another 22 rimfire. oneshooter Mar 2012 #86
It's the same gun. Derp. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #90
Dude, you have been punked gejohnston Mar 2012 #92
Forgot? guitar man Mar 2012 #106
Whoops. Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #94
I've always loved that song OriginalGeek Mar 2012 #96
Who's he trying to kid? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #29
Only videos by gun experts should be allowed here. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #30
at least gejohnston Mar 2012 #36
Priceless! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #37
Agree, that's an expert! JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #44
The video demonstrates that firearms defy Murphy's law ... spin Mar 2012 #46
Seth freely admits in the video that he is trying to drive up his view count and has fun doing so. spin Mar 2012 #33
Of course they don't. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #39
You might be right gejohnston Mar 2012 #43
Ted Nugent is an entertainer and a musician ... spin Mar 2012 #58
What video of Ted Nugent? one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #82
see post #27 safeinOhio Mar 2012 #97
What a ID10T... ileus Mar 2012 #51
I'd prefer it if you didn't. Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #95
You're right...I fixed it. ileus Mar 2012 #98
What an idiot. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #102
Video Flagged: FLAG >> VIOLENCE >> ENCOURAGE TERRORISM (n/t) OneTenthofOnePercent Mar 2012 #61
Well, that is three minutes of my life I am not going to get back. ManiacJoe Mar 2012 #62
Machine guns, machine gun and hollow point ammo? rl6214 Mar 2012 #113
"Gun racks for your truck!" jeepnstein Mar 2012 #117
What a hysterical moron. jeepnstein Mar 2012 #116
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