Gun Control & RKBA

bongbong

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Wed Apr 4, 2012, 12:11 PM

Apr 2012

Per your post, if the militia no longer exists, then the 2nd Amendment has NO meaning anymore. IOW, the 2nd Amendment can't be used as a defense for laissez-faire gun ownership.

Steven's minority decision in the infamous Heller case (radical activist conservative judges overturning precedent) pointed this out most succinctly.

Most of the gun-adorers in this thread have let my clearly- and repeatedly-posted point fly right over their heads in their rush to judgement: The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with laissez-faire gun ownership.

There, I said it again, maybe for the 10th time. Hopefully some of you will read it this time.

If somebody can show me a post of mine that says that guns should be outlawed, feel free. You won't be able to find one, except in your fervid imaginations.

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Would publishing the personal information... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 OP

Not really. Oneka Apr 2012 #1

Huh? bongbong Apr 2012 #2

"Nothing happened to O'Liely" Oneka Apr 2012 #6

WTF? rl6214 Apr 2012 #7

If a news organization Oneka Apr 2012 #8

WTF? bongbong Apr 2012 #9

Your turn rl6214 Apr 2012 #25

Thanks bongbong Apr 2012 #30

You wanna talk about something O'Reilly said, why don't you say it instead of O'Liely rl6214 Apr 2012 #55

SORRY! bongbong Apr 2012 #61

I would suggest... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #3

"Social benefit" my rear. More guns in public are a detriment to society. Hoyt Apr 2012 #15

Get a grip. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #19

so is more bloviateing on the internet yet here you are rl6214 Apr 2012 #26

It would seem to me that issuing safeinOhio Apr 2012 #17

I lean toward all public actions being open to the public. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #20

Sure, I would think so. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #22

we just don't agree there. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #24

Agreed. mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #28

You don't vote? safeinOhio Apr 2012 #29

Sure. mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #46

In my state and most others, of course there is a list safeinOhio Apr 2012 #115

And what good would you suggest that does? mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #124

That is not the point. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #125

Gotcha. mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #127

I'm not worried about burglars. BiggJawn Apr 2012 #21

Really? bongbong Apr 2012 #68

Funny. Clames Apr 2012 #126

ROFL bongbong Apr 2012 #132

No... Clames Apr 2012 #140

OK bongbong Apr 2012 #144

That's a good point. If the public has a right to know who is carrying guns, why not carry openly? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #4

If the public has a right to know who is carrying guns discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #5

2nd Amendment bongbong Apr 2012 #10

an Individual is a Member of the Militia. In order to be well regulated the Individual must have a Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #11

In order to be well regulated bongbong Apr 2012 #32

excuse me -- are you saying that I am not well trained? Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #35

Simple bongbong Apr 2012 #39

I got one of those gejohnston Apr 2012 #41

OK but, does this mean that one is not well regulated if one can not produce papers from a Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #44

such simple questions.! bongbong Apr 2012 #52

then I am very well regulated. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #63

Nope! bongbong Apr 2012 #69

trust me dude - Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #75

Really? bongbong Apr 2012 #79

in the immortal words of jpak...you are wrong. yup Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #93

HA HA! bongbong Apr 2012 #95

I am a well regulated militia of One. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #97

Yawn part 543,638 bongbong Apr 2012 #112

night night Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #117

Okey dokey bongbong Apr 2012 #119

you are very condescending - Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #66

Does my DD-214 count? GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #122

What a laugh! bongbong Apr 2012 #130

that needs to be further discussed and refined, imo.... still, did you forget to produce your Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #47

Wow! bongbong Apr 2012 #53

go do another bong hit, dude. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #76

Go do another hit of meth, dude. bongbong Apr 2012 #80

Thanks for establishing how completely you missed the point. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #90

Thanks bongbong Apr 2012 #91

that is some stretch you have there Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #94

Yawn-o bongbong Apr 2012 #96

I bow to the MasterBater. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #98

Hmmm bongbong Apr 2012 #102

! Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #106

That's too bad... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #12

At least the other 4 members understand the phrase "well regulated militia." Hoyt Apr 2012 #16

there are no objective justices gejohnston Apr 2012 #18

None? bongbong Apr 2012 #33

so they are objective if they agree gejohnston Apr 2012 #51

Mind-reading bongbong Apr 2012 #54

not mind reading gejohnston Apr 2012 #60

Yawn bongbong Apr 2012 #62

bored yet? Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #64

get a double refund where you learned gejohnston Apr 2012 #67

More fail! bongbong Apr 2012 #70

"the pro-guns-in-every-corner-of-society-culture" rl6214 Apr 2012 #27

I love it! bongbong Apr 2012 #31

Are members of a militia "people"? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #34

Are bongbong Apr 2012 #37

There is no militia. rrneck Apr 2012 #43

As a well regulated Individaul, is it wrong to consider oneself a Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #45

Um, I would consider it rrneck Apr 2012 #49

Learn what "well-regulated" actually meant at that time then get back with it rl6214 Apr 2012 #57

Std talkin point bongbong Apr 2012 #71

Wrong, guess again rl6214 Apr 2012 #89

Nah Nah! bongbong Apr 2012 #92

Yeah, you've got a funny definition and I've got the correct one rl6214 Apr 2012 #105

Yes bongbong Apr 2012 #113

You didn't answer my question bongbong Apr 2012 #56

You can run but you can't hide. rrneck Apr 2012 #73

???? bongbong Apr 2012 #81

Still running. rrneck Apr 2012 #84

Hmm.... bongbong Apr 2012 #99

Nope, thats it. rrneck Apr 2012 #108

Yep bongbong Apr 2012 #114

Actually it's rather simple: discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #116

Your point? bongbong Apr 2012 #120

And what point was that? rrneck Apr 2012 #118

Read, baby, read! bongbong Apr 2012 #121

Oh, that. rrneck Apr 2012 #123

Well.... bongbong Apr 2012 #131

Awwww.... rrneck Apr 2012 #133

Yawn againT bongbong Apr 2012 #136

I dunno rrneck Apr 2012 #161

Learn what bearing arms really means... rl6214 Apr 2012 #58

Really? bongbong Apr 2012 #65

typical BS from the anti-gun zealots rl6214 Apr 2012 #88

OK bongbong Apr 2012 #101

No, it's commonly accepted that the foot soldier carries the modern weapon of THE FOOT SOLDIER rl6214 Apr 2012 #107

If he did, he wouldn't do it so much. X_Digger Apr 2012 #109

+1 n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #110

You're still losing bongbong Apr 2012 #111

thank god for that "pesky little phrase" Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #48

Even if the second amendment specifically said you had to be in a militia to keep and bear arms... Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #78

Are members of the militia "people"? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #23

*** and crickets *** Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #36

Kinda nice to hear sometimes. rrneck Apr 2012 #42

and a day later... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #164

love it, sitting on my porch, sipping on a mint julep and listening to: Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #165

Are bongbong Apr 2012 #38

There is no militia. rrneck Apr 2012 #40

Try again bongbong Apr 2012 #50

At last count rrneck Apr 2012 #74

Still dodging bongbong Apr 2012 #82

Fine. rrneck Apr 2012 #85

There are no militias that serve the role that they did in the founders' day. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #87

That's not my problem bongbong Apr 2012 #103

It's a problem for anyone who wants to restrict the right to keep and bear arms. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #129

reply bongbong Apr 2012 #135

what precedent? gejohnston Apr 2012 #137

You call it potato bongbong Apr 2012 #143

we have more laws gejohnston Apr 2012 #152

Hmm bongbong Apr 2012 #156

the rest of the world discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #163

A simple question discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #139

asdf bongbong Apr 2012 #142

Okay discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #147

But there is no answer in post #141. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #148

asdf bongbong Apr 2012 #154

I did, and have not seen anything that looks like an answer. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #158

asdf bongbong Apr 2012 #159

He refuses to answer that question. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #149

I can wait. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #155

"Per your post, if the militia no longer exists, then the 2nd Amendment has NO meaning anymore. " Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #145

Don't expect a cogent response.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #150

What a trainwreck of a trouncing. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #151

hmmm bongbong Apr 2012 #153

There are no answers in post #141. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #157

asdf bongbong Apr 2012 #160

Try answering a little faster. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #162

"Communicating badly and acting smug when you're misunderstood is NOT CLEVERNESS."- XKCD friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #169

asdf bongbong Apr 2012 #170

I wasn't aware you were advocating *anything*, (that 'communicating badly' thing)... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #171

Really? bongbong Apr 2012 #172

OK, then. Kindly point out for us what the NRA got wrong. Here's a link to their site: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #174

No way! bongbong Apr 2012 #176

Well then, what you have asserted without evidence can be likewise dismissed without evidence. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #177

asdf bongbong Apr 2012 #178

You don't know what "well-regulated" at that time means rl6214 Apr 2012 #59

FAIL! bongbong Apr 2012 #72

All 9 judges agreed the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #77

And... bongbong Apr 2012 #83

I dont' know what you mean by "laissez-faire gun ownership" Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #86

Interesting bongbong Apr 2012 #104

You'll have to do the research yourself, I'm afraid. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #128

I've done the research bongbong Apr 2012 #134

OK, so based on your research... Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #138

Thats four questions bongbong Apr 2012 #141

Feel free to ask away. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #146

"Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be" friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #166

That's a good one bongbong Apr 2012 #167

And what do *you* believe "...The NRA Imagines Constitution To Be"? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #168

The NRA Imagines Constitution To Be Glassunion Apr 2012 #173

Bwahaha! friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #175

Whoa, dude..... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #13

Cool discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #14

huge hands, large arms Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #100