Gun Control & RKBA

SteveW

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43. Straw man, there...

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:39 PM

Dec 2011

"If things are so great because the crime rate is down as a result of guns..."

This is your outlook, and the view of some others, but is not generally held in this forum. Lott's studies which show less crime resulting from increased numbers of arms in civilian hands is not generally accepted, even among pro-2A researchers. His position, in other words, is unproven. Questions stemming from your assumption are therefore flawed from the beginning.

The main reason people purchase firearms is for self-defense; hunters constitute just under 20% of firearm-owners, and in any case, probably hold guns for multiple reasons. Other shooting sports do not explain gun ownership.

I'm not really interested in Germany's policies; that's a different country with a different culture and history. I can't say why Germany authorizes its LEOs to conduct psychological evaluations, but at least in this country I am not impressed by the repository of psychological knowledge -- theory and practice -- of various police agencies. Any measures in this regard should be through a court of law, with an aim to determine competency.

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She gave it up willingly michreject Dec 2011 #29

let's see gejohnston Dec 2011 #2

If things are so great because the crime rate is down as a result of guns... ellisonz Dec 2011 #7

I never said the crime drop had anything to do with guns gejohnston Dec 2011 #8

Again this is the problem with not using a multivariate analysis. ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

You read more into my post than I meant gejohnston Dec 2011 #11

Uh oh... You just said "multivariate analysis" DanTex Dec 2011 #31

you have us confused with Europe gejohnston Dec 2011 #49

Did you dress her up like that? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #72

I know right... ellisonz Dec 2011 #50

If you dislike it so much We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #51

You've got your talking points mixed up. DanTex Dec 2011 #62

problem is that gejohnston Dec 2011 #52

Funny isnt it? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #53

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #54

I stand by what I said gejohnston Dec 2011 #55

Thanks for the link. Straw Man Dec 2011 #64

Nice try. ellisonz Dec 2011 #66

"Nice try"? I'm simply quoting the article. Straw Man Dec 2011 #68

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #69

The fact that you haven't seen the studies doesn't mean they don't exist. DanTex Dec 2011 #65

is it gejohnston Dec 2011 #67

ironic thing is gejohnston Dec 2011 #74

and this is the problem with trying to use multivariate analysis to determine causation. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #76

Sociologists don't just run statistical analysises... ellisonz Dec 2011 #77

true, but they dont imply causation as you did. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #78

That would be your opinion. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #79

"All purchasers under the age of 25 must undergo psychological evaluation by the police." Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #18

It's a response to school shootings. ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

So the police should do psych evaluations? Straw Man Dec 2011 #23

Yes, I want a bureacracy... ellisonz Dec 2011 #24

Oh, no... Straw Man Dec 2011 #25

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #26

No, not really. Straw Man Dec 2011 #27

Knifes vs. guns - you know what they say - don't bring a knife to a gun fight... ellisonz Dec 2011 #28

You entirely missed several points. Straw Man Dec 2011 #40

Oy Vey ellisonz Dec 2011 #57

What on earth are you talking about? Straw Man Dec 2011 #60

Ha. ellisonz Dec 2011 #63

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So you're saying there's fraud? ellisonz Dec 2011 #56

There are more examples from that particular source. Here's one friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #61

All the more reason to question that procedure. SteveW Dec 2011 #44

An excellent substitute for the psych evals already exists. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #58

"will usually get into trouble with the police and get convicted early in life." ellisonz Dec 2011 #59

Not at all presumptious. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #75

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Straw man, there... SteveW Dec 2011 #43

Gosh, it can't possibly be "a healthy thing for democracy".... PavePusher Dec 2011 #3

Just tonight finished my sons rifle. Loving Wife is wrapping it now. oneshooter Dec 2011 #4

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He's the manager of the sportings good store... ellisonz Dec 2011 #14

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Thanks for stating my sentiments on every point for me, spin. Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #21

No problem. Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Dec 2011 #37

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I sure as hell don't want to see them as the only ones armed. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #22

One of those clowns questioned me at a OWS rally... SteveW Dec 2011 #45

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The big uptick in Democratic/Democratic-leaning is interesting... SteveW Dec 2011 #42

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