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Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
23. Responses to the article.
Tue May 1, 2012, 04:47 PM
May 2012
"The issue with gun legislation begins with the very process required to obtain a gun. In almost every state, according to an article in the The New Yorker by Jill Lepore, one must simply take a one-day, ninety-nine-dollar safety seminar to purchase a firearm. This alone does not seem like enough training to be able to manage a gun, but gun laws moreover have numerous loopholes. According to Arizona Republic reporter Max Jarman, over forty percent of all guns purchased can be bought without any requirements from private sellers at gun shows or through classified ads. "

I'd be annoyed if I had to take any classes or pay any fees to buy a firearm. In Alabama, and before when I lived in Georgia, I don't have to pay any fees or take any classes to buy firearms.

"Moreover, 49 states have laws allowing concealed-carry firearms in the United States. The main problem with this fact is that a majority of states only require a single test to “demonstrate proficiency” with a gun before giving a concealed-carry permit."

Again, not here in Alabama. Pay $10 and get your license. $20 if you want your picture on it.

Since CCW permit holders are hardly ever involved in crime, and hardly ever have their permits revoked, I don't see what the big deal is here.

"When you examine life in America today, the Second Amendment is simply outdated. When was the last time you had to defend your liberty with a loaded gun?"

Anyone who makes statements like this obviously believe that the government of the United States is the pinnacle of representative government and will forevermore be benign and beholden to the interests of the people.

"On the reform front, for starters, anyone who has been charged with a violent crime—such as George Zimmerman, who was charged with battery of law enforcement officer—should not be allowed to legally own a firearm, much less a concealed-carry permit. This is common sense: we don’t want to be giving people with a tendency to resort to violence the ability to enact wider-spread violence."

OK, so the author here is advocating the nullification of a Constitutional right without due process of law. Instead of having to be convicted of a crime, it is sufficient for the author to merely be charged with a crime.

Uh, no thanks.

"Furthermore, concealing weapons should not be an acceptable practice. A study by the University of Pennsylvania shows that people with concealed weapons are four times more likely to be in a violent altercation than those who go about their day unarmed or with a visible weapon. Thus, if we want to reduce violence in society, we can start by capping the number of concealed carry permits given out by states. "

But we also know that people with CCW permits are hardly ever involved in crime and hardly ever have their permits revoked. There simply is no pervasive crime problem associated with concealed carry.

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Giving Gun Reform a Shot [View all] SecularMotion May 2012 OP
A high school newspaper? gejohnston May 2012 #1
Giving Gun Reform a Shot? - No thanks, tried it once, didn't like it. DonP May 2012 #2
I think you can control crime by disarming non-law abiding citizens. safeinOhio May 2012 #13
Handgun registration has been proposed several times in Congress DonP May 2012 #14
So what about that huge pool of guns that will never get registered? hack89 May 2012 #16
I'm sure it would work as well as the Marihuana Tax Act did... friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #17
Ummmmm the NFA is not why it worked gejohnston May 2012 #22
Yet, the excuses against handgun registration always include, safeinOhio May 2012 #26
historical fact, not excuses gejohnston May 2012 #28
Seems to be very effective safeinOhio May 2012 #29
there is no evidence that it would gejohnston May 2012 #30
This is from 2009, not that long ago. safeinOhio May 2012 #31
at the same time gejohnston May 2012 #32
No one... NewMoonTherian May 2012 #24
It's a shame that good ideas/posts are not accepted here. Hoyt May 2012 #33
We may never know. DonP May 2012 #41
There are numerous problems discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #42
No errors in that story Meiko May 2012 #3
cut the kid some slack, gejohnston May 2012 #5
Major Fact-checking Phale. PavePusher May 2012 #4
a high school junior in a New England prep school gejohnston May 2012 #6
The world must look very strange from those high school windows JustABozoOnThisBus May 2012 #7
Pretty campus gejohnston May 2012 #8
FYI discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #10
re: "The world must look very strange from those high school windows" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #9
I have a very close college buddy who went to Exeter... Callisto32 May 2012 #11
I was once a proctor at one of those schools, back in 1970. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #15
They're pretty damn miserable? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2012 #18
You are getting rather desperate aren't you? GreenStormCloud May 2012 #12
That study in PA did not distinguish between legal and illegal carriers. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #19
Former Teaching Assistant of Dr. Kellerman? DonP May 2012 #21
Zmans CHP had nothing to do with his "job" as community watchman. ileus May 2012 #20
Responses to the article. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #23
Yeah, and Alabama and Georgia are two of the few states l might consider carrying. Hoyt May 2012 #34
Why not Florida? gejohnston May 2012 #35
Try to avoid it and Mississipi. Hoyt May 2012 #36
Florida is mostly gejohnston May 2012 #37
We have the highest per-capita count of PhDs in the country here in Huntsville. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #39
Huntsville is an exception -- I agree. Even know Meridianville and Hazel Green well. Hoyt May 2012 #40
The least you can do is give the young gejohnston May 2012 #25
I went onto the webiste to see if there was a Contact Us option. Callisto32 May 2012 #38
the parents aren't really paying for the quality education gejohnston May 2012 #43
Well, alright. But only *one* shot. Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #27
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