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TPaine7

(4,286 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:45 AM Jul 2012

Anti-Gun Bias on HBO's "The Newsroom" [View all]

I just finished watching "The Newsroom" on HBO (Season 1, Episode 4, I'll Try to Fix You).

McAvoy, the anchor, has a one-sided but at least mostly true on-air rant where he "proves" that Sarah Palin, the NRA and others have no basis for thinking Obama is anti-gun and wants to ban guns. After all, by carefully ignoring Obama's published and well known anti-gun positions before he became president, you can show that he is a gun rights champion. He is, according to McAvoy's analysis, "the best friend the NRA has ever had."

Later that night, McAvoy is on a date with a woman.

Beginning at about 28:00 minutes in (on HBO GO) is a scene that presents an embarrassing propaganda whopper, the kind of lie that is swallowed by decent folks all the time. After all, the show is smart, funny, intelligent and apparently well researched--and it is obviously intended as serious political commentary. Here's how it happened:

McAvoy's date, Carrie, walking away from him toward the bedroom to change (she's apparently gotten wet in the rain): "Sloan said you were fun, hey do you like to get high?"

McAvoy: "I used to, but I can't buy pot anymore without it showing up in a newspaper."

Carrie: "There's a joint in the side pocket of my purse; get it out."

McAvoy: "Alright."

McAvoy, Upon finding gun, obviously disturbed: "Carrie, can we talk about the gun that's in your purse?"

Carrie, walking back into room wearing robe: "I'm a southern liberal, dude. It's northern liberals who are afraid of sex and guns."

McAvoy: "Well, both at the same time, and I'm a Republican from Nebraska. But, you mind if I..." He unloads her gun, taking out the magazine, dropping a bullet on the floor and handing the unloaded gun to her.

Carrie (smiling and taking his presumptuous self-righteousness in stride--she never said he could do anything with her gun): "You're disarming--get it?"

McAvoy: "Here's the thing..."

Carrie: "Yeah, yeah, I saw the show tonight. I'm a liberal's liberal, I work for Hillary, you are dead wrong on guns."

McAvoy: "I didn't take a position on guns, I took a position on lying, I came out against it." (Naturally, he didn't mention his own lie by omission, by carefully ignoring many published Obama statements against guns and focusing exclusively on things like the bill Obama signed that incidentally helped gun rights, he made the idea that Obama opposes gun rights appear weaker than it actually is. He also made Palin and Wayne LaPierre seem sillier than they actually are--which is impressive, but unnecessary.)

Carrie: "Well, if I'm walking the streets of Manhattan at night and a guy your size wants to rape me, then this is going to happen." (She points gun at him.)

McAvoy: "Actually, statistics show that this is going to happen:" Then, in a move that would make a ninja proud--and I mean a B movie ninja who can levitate, disappear and walk through walls--he takes the gun from her by slapping the butt of the gun, catching it it when it pops out of her hand, and deftly turning it on her. (I wonder how many takes it took to record that move, even with a cooperative woman.)

Carrie: "Is it wrong that I'm turned on by that?"

McAvoy: "Yes."


I have no doubt that some otherwise intelligent people now believe that statistically --STATISTICALLY!--guns are taken from armed people--or maybe it's just armed women--easily, in less than a second. For those keeping score at home, that would imply that this happens in THE MAJORITY OF DEFENSIVE GUN USES.

Yes, it's fiction. But it's serious, smart, sophisticated, intellectual fiction--fiction that obviously wants to be take seriously when it cites "facts."
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So Obama is a gun snatcher? Seriously? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #1
Of course. That's exactly what I said. n/t TPaine7 Jul 2012 #7
I'm glad you agree. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #9
May I ask you a question? 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #31
Obama. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #64
In practice, no. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #26
Since the 2008 election Obama has been quiet about guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #40
Kind of like when people actually believe when rUsh, oLier and hateme spew garbage on their shows. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #2
Actually, statistics do show that a gun increases rather than decreases the risk... DanTex Jul 2012 #3
So it's a lie that supports the One True Faith, TPaine7 Jul 2012 #6
Uh, no, my point is that it's not a lie. Statistically, a gun puts you at greater risk. DanTex Jul 2012 #16
Presumably then there would be a direct correlation between 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18
Has nothing to do with gun ownership. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #21
Ok . . so there is a direct correlation between CHLs and violence 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #22
Please don't put words in my mouth. The following are my words. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #24
So prove it. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #25
Statistically, my risk is the same as someone who doesn't own a gun. Kaleva Jul 2012 #20
Speaking of lies... TPaine7 Jul 2012 #27
The only person lying here is you. DanTex Jul 2012 #53
"But 'this' can also be interpreted more generally..." TPaine7 Jul 2012 #58
In other words, you have no point, and you've backed away from the lies in your last post. DanTex Jul 2012 #59
I feel bad for you. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #60
LOL. Trying to ignore your lie isn't going to work. DanTex Jul 2012 #65
If you look up the definition of gejohnston Jul 2012 #66
So why are fewer people getting shot? hack89 Jul 2012 #8
And a car increases the risk of having a vehicle wreck. Higgs boson Jul 2012 #63
Good show. Hope they keep exploring this gun BS that plagues our society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #4
If you want to have liberals on TV rrneck Jul 2012 #5
I see you edited out the racist crap you originally posted. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #10
You see I edited out an auto complete typo. rrneck Jul 2012 #11
really? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #13
Look at your keyboard. rrneck Jul 2012 #14
not gonna happen. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #15
I believe you. rrneck Jul 2012 #17
Sorry for jumping in, but I think rrneck is right on this. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #23
Thanks for jumping in. rrneck Jul 2012 #29
No problem. Respect. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #55
Thanks for being a standup person. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #62
Here you go slick. rrneck Jul 2012 #28
And by the way... rrneck Jul 2012 #12
Ghetto has more than one meaning. If the context doesn't support a racial meaning, there is no TPaine7 Jul 2012 #19
It's SOP. rrneck Jul 2012 #30
unh-uh "what ghetto want to hear" is easy to parse. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #35
Where's that apology? rrneck Jul 2012 #37
Anti-Obama horseshit - from someone with 272 Gungeon posts, and NONE elsewhere muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #32
You are 100% correct. I hope the Admins take notice. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #33
I think you might have replied in the wrong thread. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #34
No, he didn't. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #36
I probably missed it. rrneck Jul 2012 #38
Sorry, still not buying. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #42
Then produce some fucking proof rrneck Jul 2012 #44
Nah, I think I'll watch kitten videos instead. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #47
That's what I thought. rrneck Jul 2012 #50
The right thread, and I'm worried you can't see that muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #39
Maybe I'll reconsider my decision to not post in this forum after Nov 7. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #41
"from someone with 272 Gungeon posts, and NONE elsewhere" rrneck Jul 2012 #43
It's TPaine7, the thread starter muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #45
LOL! Yep, I missed it. My dumb ass. Sorry about that. rrneck Jul 2012 #49
Has TPaine7 ever said anything in favour of a Democrat? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #52
Beats me. rrneck Jul 2012 #54
Thank you very much for your kind words, here and elsewhere in this thread. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #61
I don't remember him saying anything nice about a Republican gejohnston Jul 2012 #57
so then she's no worse off by carrying the gun? n/t krispos42 Jul 2012 #46
Anything with a liberal bent should be banned from TV!!!!! Doctor_J Jul 2012 #48
Does every character in a fictional show have to tell the truth with every word? arcane1 Jul 2012 #51
Of course not. rrneck Jul 2012 #56
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