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In reply to the discussion: NYC: Empire State Shooting: ALL bystanders were shot by police [View all]Straw Man
(6,613 posts)199. Say what?
Thankfully NY has laws against tourists bringing their guns in
he easily could have been arrested (or perhaps he would have done himself in)
he easily could have been arrested (or perhaps he would have done himself in)
The shooter wasn't a tourist, and his gun was flat-out illegal: no permit to possess or carry. And yet he managed to use it to commit murder. The people who obey the restrictions are not the people who commit the murders. If you think that means the restrictions are working, you need to check your M&M patch to see if there are any elephants in it. (I'll give you a hint: they paint their toenails different colors.)
he was NOT a mass shooter, he wanted and got the one person so the danger was over
Explain to me how the cops are supposed to have known that. Then tell me how it would have been so much better to just let him walk away.
This is actually the perfect example how others carrying a gun would have only made it worse. Proof actually.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word proof. Proof of your concept would require having had an armed citizen intervene with tragic results. Nothing like that happened. Your assertion is just more idle speculation.
... not a fan of the NY Cops (which in reality, the mayor is not in control of as they are unofficially their own entity).
Considering that the mayor appoints the police commissioner, in what sense are they "their own entity"? Oh, "unofficially" -- I see. Yes, Bloomie is not an omnipotent being who guides each officer's actions every minute of every shift. But he is most decidedly at the top of that particular administrative food chain.
So ... what are we left with? Not a lot, really.
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i'm not a gun user, or any manner of expert; but, i agree with your comments.
marasinghe
Aug 2012
#3
Surely you can cite to a Citizen hitting nine bystanders in a self-defense shooting.
PavePusher
Aug 2012
#115
No, they are 100% to blame. They should know their firearm's capabilities and limitations...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#9
Cops are, by definition, police officers. "Police officer" is a profession.
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#18
Perhaps those 9 victims should ask for a refund from their paid protectors.
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#61
And *you've* forgotten about Virginia Tech, where the killer used "normal sized" clips...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#91
Like I said, That is why my side is winning the national debate on this issue.
GreenStormCloud
Aug 2012
#98
Sounds like he was either A) professional enough to realize his gun wasn't the answer...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#52
He should check EVERY possible aspect of his weapon just as I check every possible aspect...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#65
I was just curious. for the record, I fire a .40. A .22 is too small and a howitzer is too expensive
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#78
I disagree, but I do appreciate your reasoned response without insults or slurs n/t
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#125
Bet they'd lose their heads if someone was shooting at them while they're trying
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#37
Yes, we are trained to do one thing, first and foremost, in ANY emergency...
Cooley Hurd
Aug 2012
#40
And these are professionals. Imagine the carnage if some concealed-carry yahoo started shooting.
DanTex
Aug 2012
#24
LOL. Yeah, the average yahoo gun nut is better trained than the NYPD. Now that was funny!
DanTex
Aug 2012
#31
Please feel free to cite an instance in which a permit holder hit 9 innocent people NT
Trunk Monkey
Aug 2012
#35
There are plenty of instances of permit holders shooting people accidentally (including themselves).
DanTex
Aug 2012
#39
With their fantastic requirements only 1%ers like Donald Trump get carry permits
rDigital
Aug 2012
#76
My S&W Model 642 snub nosed .38 caliber revolver has a trigger pull of about 12 pounds. ...
spin
Aug 2012
#93
"The only mass shooting in NYC yesterday was carried out by those hired to protect it."
OneTenthofOnePercent
Aug 2012
#57
Don't worry. Only the police should have guns cause they've been trained and stuff n/t
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#74
If you're familiar with police firearms training, you'll see that flurry shooting isn't a last
rDigital
Aug 2012
#88
Bloomberg has the NYPD so afraid of guns that the cops don't get trained to use them properly. nt
rDigital
Aug 2012
#90
You are being sarcastic, and it is a good LOL, BUT you are close to the truth I bet...
virginia mountainman
Aug 2012
#95
If you think being a cop is about "enforcing laws" then you just don't get it
Starboard Tack
Aug 2012
#149
Your fucking hero Bloomers walked onto the crime scene shortly after it was secured....
PavePusher
Aug 2012
#118
Training is one factor. Switching from Glocks to double-action/single-action pistols would help.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#126