Gun Control & RKBA

R. Daneel Olivaw

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69. My ideal choice would be to kill nobody.

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:07 PM

Oct 2012

I am offering a point of view that, however remote, is still within the range of possibility.

Understandably there are purists that can't take a leap of faith that a weapon can be used for more than just squirrels.

I see a weapon as a weapon: designed to kill in any instance.

One can argue that a Ruger SR22 can kill a person, but a .357 Magnum could do it more dramatically.

The difference is that with the .22 rifle, with a scope and suppressor, could be used in tighter urban environments than one of the larger "officially designated" sniper rifles.

From the wik

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle

Numerous other shooting incidents have demonstrated that .22 LR bullets are highly dangerous to humans. Even after flying 400 yards (370 m), a .22 bullet is still traveling at approximately 500 ft/s (150 m/s). A standard rimfire cartridge can have a ballistic range of up to 1.5 miles (2,400 m)

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Men jailed after sniper rifle found in back of minicab in South Croydon (a .22 LR!) [View all] Grave Grumbler Oct 2012 OP

Why doesn't anyone think of the poor squirrels? slackmaster Oct 2012 #1

A .22 with a silencer... yellerpup Oct 2012 #2

I'll bet you didn't know that sound suppressors aren't regulated at all in the UK slackmaster Oct 2012 #3

Really? Grave Grumbler Oct 2012 #6

Is this guy violating any principles of gun safety in his hunt? xocet Oct 2012 #102

I beg to differ holdencaufield Oct 2012 #7

There is also a subsonic Round for the .338 Lapua formercia Oct 2012 #30

Suppressors are requited in some European countries... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #89

My supervisor uses his 22lr muffler to remove squirrels ileus Oct 2012 #14

Sez you, on what authority? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #18

why not? Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #23

I replied to this post yellerpup Oct 2012 #24

I wish I had a suppressor for my .22 It makes that high pitched Ka-wack sound and Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #25

Sound suppressors would be very popular if not for the $200 transfer tax... slackmaster Oct 2012 #26

What's wrong with noise reduction? PavePusher Oct 2012 #49

That's no way to win friend and influence voters :P Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #58

Actually, using a supressor is considered being polite to neighbors in the UK formercia Oct 2012 #27

All the young lads ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #4

The Red Uniforms didn't help either. formercia Oct 2012 #31

I find that hard to believe holdencaufield Oct 2012 #87

Actually, Hiram Maxim was born in the US formercia Oct 2012 #88

Well, to be fair glacierbay Oct 2012 #5

A "favorite" of mob hitmen here as well.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #90

Is Benny Hill in charge of that country? nt Remmah2 Oct 2012 #8

London is "far safer." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #9

Squirrels and rabbits. nt rDigital Oct 2012 #12

With all respect ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #15

With all respect... you have no clue what you're talking about. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #20

we have been using .22 suppressed pistols and rifles since Vietnam former-republican Oct 2012 #35

And this would be the majority use of such firearms? PavePusher Oct 2012 #48

No, that is not what I am implying. I was very clear. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #54

No, you clearly were trying to imply that it was their primary purpose. PavePusher Oct 2012 #65

I haven't backpedaled once. Stop hyperventilating. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #70

What fucking police department uses a .22lr for 'tactical' purposes? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #104

Too much TV ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #85

One 22 LR round (CCI Velocitor)has over 180 Foot Pounds of Muzzle Energy formercia Oct 2012 #29

Law enforcement will use them sometimes former-republican Oct 2012 #40

You are certainly not living up to your screen name. PavePusher Oct 2012 #19

See reply #20, then please revise your previous statement. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #33

what are you talking about former-republican Oct 2012 #34

Read up thread. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #42

I'm not disagreeing law enforcement use a suppressed .22 former-republican Oct 2012 #47

But it could be used to kill a person. Right? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #51

Oh come now... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #53

Can of beans? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #55

A 22 rifle... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #59

Just something to think about. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #61

It was around 90 yards former-republican Oct 2012 #64

And not a .22..... PavePusher Oct 2012 #68

I didn't think anyone thought that. former-republican Oct 2012 #71

But still a bullet. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #72

My mistake. Kennedy was closer, as you said. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #73

It's commonly accepted... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #66

A bullet is still a bullet, and if it is fired within its range R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #74

One more thought... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #67

And now we come full circle to my position. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #76

Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #79

I don't think so. Straw Man Oct 2012 #78

You are quite correct. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #80

You are thinking of RFK's killer. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #97

Yes thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #100

That was James Teague who was hit by a fragment. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #96

agree former-republican Oct 2012 #63

"Can of beans" is a gungeon joke. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #93

So could my thumb but it wouldn't be my ideal choice. former-republican Oct 2012 #60

My ideal choice would be to kill nobody. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #69

stop posting links on weapons and ballistics former-republican Oct 2012 #75

Why not? I seem to be getting a steady amount of pushback R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #77

you did say this former-republican Oct 2012 #82

".22 LR bullets are highly dangerous to humans" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #86

If you want to call shooting a squirrel "sniping" maybe Oneka Oct 2012 #46

Any rifle can be used for sniping. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #50

Yeah, OK. Straw Man Oct 2012 #84

Had to check and make sure this wasn't from the Onion petronius Oct 2012 #10

I did too Union Scribe Oct 2012 #32

What is a sniper scope? former-republican Oct 2012 #11

I don't know but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #13

Maybe it has those high evil knobs on the top and side that turn former-republican Oct 2012 #16

Is that a racist comment? oneshooter Oct 2012 #43

not in my mind but then, for me, black isn't scary ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #45

The really sad part Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #17

"...Typically associated" with squirrel hunting. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #21

In the UK it's a popular squirrel gun too DonP Oct 2012 #22

Your post reminds me of a remark I read once: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #92

Looks like an excuse to get "Scarface" Smilo Oct 2012 #28

STOP JUST STOP ,EVERYONE former-republican Oct 2012 #36

Hey! Paul Ryan can shoot you in the eye at 1,500 metres with a .22! DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #37

Of course there are always exceptions, Jenoch Oct 2012 #38

You forgot the SNIPER scope on top former-republican Oct 2012 #39

Any rifle can be used to snipe. The question of the target and range is what is important. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #41

Simo H�yh� used a stock, unscoped Mosin Nagant for most of his kills. oneshooter Oct 2012 #44

Thanks. I'm not sure where all the hostility comes from R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #56

Do you think it was the rifle that made him a sniper former-republican Oct 2012 #81

This is my position and then I'll end this. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #83

If they made a movie about that guy's life 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #91

Awesome. 505 confirmed kills. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #99

Did you miss the part of my post Jenoch Oct 2012 #95

Last I read... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #52

By whose standards? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #57

Far be it from me to do any flaming. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #62

Who you gonna believe, the US Army and Marine Corps or an 'expert' on the Net? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #94

on the "expert" discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #103

Here in the gungeon we get pretty fussy about definitions. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #98

Guns are for the most part illegal in England. Deep13 Oct 2012 #101