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LiberalAndProud

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232. Well did you open a can of worms or what?

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:06 AM

Jul 2015

And here I am thinking this is probably the wrong forum for you and I to discuss this, but here it is.

As has been pointed out, it is not the AA community that needs educated. It's us. Plain and simple.

We assume Bernie's default position as a progressive Democrat is progressive when it comes to matters of race. And you know what? We have no reason to assume that except that we expect him to. If the AA community hopes for better than benign neglect from our party, then they have the right and the obligation to size up the candidates and make a choice as to who best will meet their crisis. We have no basis for saying that Bernie will be a warrior for social justice, and at this point in our history, fighting for economic justice has to take a back seat to social justice concerns. If we fail to understand that, it's our failure. The least we can do is own that much.

The ball is in Bernie's court. His initial efforts to breach the chasm are promising. I hope he is not only convincing in his effort, but sincere. As for me, I'm ready to follow the AA lead here, because I choose to commit to that cause. Now.

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I only get into trouble on DU when I try to get to what's real. [View all] Tobin S. Jul 2015 OP

I saw you get blocked. bravenak Jul 2015 #1

He's got a few now, hopefully he'll get more. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #14

I agree with all of this!! bravenak Jul 2015 #124

how can you say this?? ellennelle Jul 2015 #22

I agree with much of what you wrote ... until you got to here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #24

I agree with most of what you said, but.... blackspade Jul 2015 #26

economics IS central. spqr78 Jul 2015 #160

I think LWolf Jul 2015 #174

I "villanize" the people heaven05 Jul 2015 #41

There is so much ignorance and passive aggression in this post, I don't know where to begin Number23 Jul 2015 #171

Yikes... Agschmid Jul 2015 #345

I noticed this person never came back to this thread but got a ping that she posted something damn Number23 Jul 2015 #346

I am so sick of people misappropriating Dr. King's legacy & bastardizing his words. Not cool. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #217

I know what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #262

It is a deliberately cynical attempt to rewrite history. I hate it when Republicans do it, and I... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #276

Same here Tarheel_Dem! lovemydog Jul 2015 #272

Having an enjoyable weekend, hope you are as well. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #277

Republicans have tried to appropriate Dr. King's legacy as well... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #290

AFAIC, that amounts to near sacrilege. The King family should have sued. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #309

If one can't run on one's record, then what else is there? He has ideas that sound good to me... 1monster Jul 2015 #233

I've told your group 150,000 times how to help Bernie with black people. bravenak Jul 2015 #234

My group? I visit the Bernie group when it hits the front page. I don't spend a lot of time 1monster Jul 2015 #245

I bet face to face we would be able to find common ground without the exasperation. bravenak Jul 2015 #248

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #296

Now you're a victim too. bravenak Jul 2015 #298

I have been rejected as a volunteer Downwinder Jul 2015 #2

Why the hell would a VOLUNTEER be rejected? They work for free!! 7962 Jul 2015 #31

Same reason why a lot of us are labeled JackInGreen Jul 2015 #46

Beats me. Downwinder Jul 2015 #73

I have worked on plenty of campaigns where volunteers were rejected or fired ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #110

And all of that does make perfect sense. Even in a regular workplace! 7962 Jul 2015 #120

It is difficult to explain something when a group does not care to hear it. Stellar Jul 2015 #3

I agree that we need a healthy discussion. Having "safe" areas is a mistake since it seems Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #15

+1 Stellar Jul 2015 #53

Noooo---I think "the black community" needs to educate the "Bernie supporter community"--not the MADem Jul 2015 #103

I know, Huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #111

I felt the same way when I read that. BERNIE and the rest of them need educating, not us Number23 Jul 2015 #172

I am a bit surprised at the amount of likely unaware, or unintentional, or dare I say MADem Jul 2015 #193

It does boggle.. but, not entirely surprising to me. Cha Jul 2015 #305

I'm coming in late to this thread but it is so good and I wanted to chime in, mainly to wrap Chiquitita Jul 2015 #348

Exactly, MADem.. As If.. the Black Community needs "educating" by bernie supporters.. Cha Jul 2015 #304

Do you feel that we shouldn't have an AA group? TBF Jul 2015 #154

I'm done trying to explain, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #25

LOL Stellar Jul 2015 #54

Either you fer us or against us ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #71

Yup. Many have unduly criticized President Obama for years. lovemydog Jul 2015 #238

Posted for its explanatory data ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #257

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #297

You must not only AGREE, but agree ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Or else! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #324

Or else, Stellar Jul 2015 #325

That was probably me. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #237

No need to apologize; but, it is accepted ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #256

Humor. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #268

I was banned from a Hillary group. If you can't defend your position, the easiest thing to do, Hoppy Jul 2015 #4

I think this more the rule than the exception. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #12

I was notified I was banned from the Hillary group, even though I hadn't posted a single thing there HFRN Jul 2015 #29

Damn, you must have some power! A "pre emptive blocking"! Sounds like a W move! 7962 Jul 2015 #32

really makes you want to vote for her nt HFRN Jul 2015 #39

It's a false statement. Hosts can only block a person by clicking a link on the post they made IN MADem Jul 2015 #108

Surprises me that someone would make that claim openly! 7962 Jul 2015 #112

Oh come on ... he/she said he/she was NOTIFIED that he/she was banned from the Hillary group ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #113

It's incredible, isn't it? MADem Jul 2015 #135

Would the host that did the blocking retain the offending post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #140

My jaw literally dropped. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #61

Do you really believe that post? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #114

I guess not, since I got more info. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #125

I don't think you can do that - at least in AfAm we don't have that ability JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #87

Hmmmm, maybe things are "separate but not equal" with the other group hosts? MADem Jul 2015 #138

Love ya man! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #143

Really? We can't add more? MADem Jul 2015 #145

Yep JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #147

Gotta take that up with Elad, really--that's not enough. MADem Jul 2015 #149

Groups are allowed different numbers of hosts? SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #218

Yes JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author scarletwoman Jul 2015 #273

Dammit. lovemydog Jul 2015 #239

No host has that ability. They must post first, exactly as MADem said. Skinner said so in ATA. So... freshwest Jul 2015 #322

You do know that is a false statement, don't you? MADem Jul 2015 #104

when i received the notification, i searched theough 'My Posts' to find a post in that forum HFRN Jul 2015 #105

It is a physical impossibility to get banned from a group you haven't posted in. MADem Jul 2015 #107

well, i'll take your word for it HFRN Jul 2015 #109

No--I meant physical, as in visible, tangible, real, actual MADem Jul 2015 #142

I'm sorry, technical better describes the impossibility HFRN Jul 2015 #144

Well, the admins have super powers that transcend groups. MADem Jul 2015 #148

I'm impressed nt HFRN Jul 2015 #153

Check your "Inbox" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #115

where did you think i found the notification, if not the 'inbox'? HFRN Jul 2015 #116

Then post the notification and prove, what many, including me, thinks is a lie. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #118

here you go, inquisitive one HFRN Jul 2015 #119

Thank you ... Was that so difficult? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #121

well, as a rule i dont forward mail that others send me HFRN Jul 2015 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jul 2015 #202

That's not true. You have posted in the group before Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #134

well, i stand corrected HFRN Jul 2015 #141

It's called advanced search Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #150

You were making a false claim.. it's so easy to disprove that. Cha Jul 2015 #163

well, i must recognize, that you all know the ins and outs of the messagboard HFRN Jul 2015 #186

It's something for your resume that you made a false claim and then when it's disproved you try Cha Jul 2015 #215

Well, you stated it could happen, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #219

Aha.. the proof from July 9, 2015.. We all knew you can't be blocked from a group without Cha Jul 2015 #158

I suspect that you were banned for this. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #225

correct - i am learning as a 'newbie', that there are numerous eggshells HFRN Jul 2015 #228

I can imagine. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #230

"Newbie" zappaman Jul 2015 #240

Shhhhhh! bravenak Jul 2015 #241

LOL! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #247

*Jury results* RiverLover Jul 2015 #255

thanks for posting HFRN Jul 2015 #258

Yes. RiverLover Jul 2015 #265

. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #260

This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Jul 2015 #321

Got a question - have you tried contacting the Host that blocked you and discussing it? azurnoir Jul 2015 #5

While I am definitely a BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #6

+1000 nt kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #13

Thanks for your post. And I agree with you. Number23 Jul 2015 #173

No difference from Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, etc etc shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #7

Why?? Progressives are frustrated that they don't gain ground, in spite of economic inequality lostnfound Jul 2015 #23

Since you are posting here, I assume that it is because you wish to hear an answer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #30

Thank you 1StrongBlackMan. lostnfound Jul 2015 #38

Jung? OK, you have my attention. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #89

Actually lostnfound Jul 2015 #93

Incrementalism moves both forward and back. spqr78 Jul 2015 #284

I had to read this three times to be certain you were saying what I thought I read ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #287

we're getting closer. spqr78 Jul 2015 #292

Have fun in Canada. You're going to love the Prime Minister. MADem Jul 2015 #343

100% correct as I lived it in my union: freshwest Jul 2015 #326

You won't get further responses JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #328

Good job! Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #330

Thank Baby Jesus! Where are they coming from, or are these "return performances" if you know what.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #331

No idea - but seriously JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #332

Yes, I noticed and that's why I posted about not getting any closer... freshwest Aug 2015 #349

Mr. 'We're Getting Closer' won't answer: freshwest Jul 2015 #329

The less a person has the more risk adverse he or she is DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #291

It does resonate with AA people shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #42

I'm sure you understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #281

That's very interesting. lostnfound Jul 2015 #91

You've hit on part of it shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #285

Why? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #27

Howard Dean wasnt running against Hillary? 7962 Jul 2015 #33

I suspect that has little to do with why Dean didn't take that hit ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #36

I'm saying I put NOTHING past Hillary's "team". Look at '08; 7962 Jul 2015 #50

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #70

There also wasn't the social media platforms JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #88

We've had eight years of a Black president... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #51

As I said in another OP, the bad cops LOVE this BLM stuff. Dividing helps them. 7962 Jul 2015 #55

The problem is that it takes a crisis to prompt white America into action shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #62

+1 ... Damn well stated. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #77

I agree. Results matter. And this IS a crisis, its just a lot dont see it yet. 7962 Jul 2015 #100

That actually breaks down close to the beginning because the progressive candidate isn't mostly the TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #333

Yes, this is an important point shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #340

false equivalency heaven05 Jul 2015 #75

Before I respond ... Please define/describe "New Left Activist". Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #72

In this context shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #295

Unfortunately, yes... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #299

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #302

This post makes me sad Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #8

This is a legit concern for any dem candidate gwheezie Jul 2015 #9

well about you being blocked from the Sanders group azurnoir Jul 2015 #10

I am a POC & a host in the Sanders Group. TM99 Jul 2015 #11

It should bloody well be able to be brought up in the Sanders group. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #16

I think you are missing my point. TM99 Jul 2015 #19

And my point is that I want the Sanders group to be BETTER than 'anoy other candidate safe haven'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #21

Yep. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #127

What I see in the O'Malley Group JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #156

Yeah right ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #34

I disagree. TM99 Jul 2015 #43

We are talking about a specific sub-set of DU Bernie supporters ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #66

That is simply not a fair characterization. TM99 Jul 2015 #76

Do you NOT see your response as a deflection? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #90

Word salad that is all. TM99 Jul 2015 #94

Okay ... Word salad ... LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #98

I understand just fine. TM99 Jul 2015 #99

Group Host - I've watched this thread pretty much all day JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #128

No need to watch this thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #129

Knock it off! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #131

She got a hide? Let me guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #139

Yep JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #146

"Pigs ... Wrestling ... Mud ... Orgasms ..." Number23 Jul 2015 #177

It's what happens when the pig is having way to much fun ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #200

I thought when one trashed a Group ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #133

No go to your account JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #137

It says the Group is trashed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #151

Click on the group name JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #157

IT WORKED ... IT WORKED! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #261

Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE Divernan Jul 2015 #101

Hey it's obvious JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #136

Link to the hide ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #161

Big load of bullshit JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #166

Yeah ... That was B.S. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #199

Oh good grief. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #259

Some of the stuff I've seen lately is just unbelievable... MADem Jul 2015 #167

Here's a guess... it may be because NO OTHER GROUP ON DU is as hostile to black Americans now than Number23 Jul 2015 #176

I don't see it among my fellow O'Malley supporters JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #178

O'malley screwed up at Netroots too. The only difference is that his SUPPORTERS were not out on the Number23 Jul 2015 #180

!!!!!!!! Yes, just stop!!!!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #181

Hey girl... how many hides you up to now? Number23 Jul 2015 #189

Same three. Just waiting. bravenak Jul 2015 #195

More important than us? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #183

Bravenak posted it in another OP. It is well worth the read Number23 Jul 2015 #188

I LOVED the 'big finish' of that piece!!! MADem Jul 2015 #204

You do realize that on DU TM99 Jul 2015 #212

So that's your answer? The reason more stupidity, more callousness and more RACISM has come Number23 Jul 2015 #216

"I am now blocking you from the AA forum." Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #227

Edit Number23 Jul 2015 #229

Oooooooh, makes me wonder! MADem Jul 2015 #235

Well, I edited. I din't want it to look like I was talking about somebody that couldn't talk back Number23 Jul 2015 #274

Yeah, we're just hanging around listening to some old "top forty" music here! MADem Jul 2015 #275

Perfect, Tarheel! Mahalo 23! Cha Jul 2015 #307

Thank you. bravenak Jul 2015 #231

Yeah, why they pretend? Cha Jul 2015 #308

"know that supporters of Sanders are open to legitimate criticism especially on the whole with Cha Jul 2015 #159

Why not bring this up in GD-P where safe haven rules specifically don't apply? MADem Jul 2015 #152

If you were a black person who said that black people need some self-examination, not ONE person Number23 Jul 2015 #169

That is my problem with him. Certainly. Only comes back here to chastise us but won't tell his bravenak Jul 2015 #182

Btw: I left blocking him to you. I figured you would do it. bravenak Jul 2015 #185

I've asked him not to return here. Hopefully that will be enough. Number23 Jul 2015 #190

I'm around this weekend JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #192

I'm just gonna do it to make sure he does not come in here to chastise black folks. bravenak Jul 2015 #194

Well, it's pretty clear who he is now. So that makes it pretty clear who his friends are too. Number23 Jul 2015 #197

I hope so too. He ought to have shame. bravenak Jul 2015 #198

Respectful, I did make that point here and here alone. TM99 Jul 2015 #209

I don't think so Number23 Jul 2015 #210

Is it possible LWolf Jul 2015 #175

As a Bernie supporter, I sympathize with you. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #17

I'm Sorry zwisthekid Jul 2015 #18

You aren't the only banned Sanders support JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #20

just sent another heaven05 Jul 2015 #35

Good for you! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #37

yep exactly heaven05 Jul 2015 #47

I come across Sanders supporters EVERY DAY that won't post in the Sanders group Number23 Jul 2015 #179

I am trying to connect heaven05 Jul 2015 #28

heaven, let me know if anything comes from this. I am genuinely interested Number23 Jul 2015 #191

I will and nothing yet heaven05 Jul 2015 #266

I am white and I support Bernie Sanders about 95%. I also some problems when.... marble falls Jul 2015 #40

It is really hard to take people seriously TM99 Jul 2015 #44

You were there and I watched the tapes and my wife and I were and are surprised how few... marble falls Jul 2015 #48

Shame on me? TM99 Jul 2015 #49

The insult is where you tell me I told you a lie. marble falls Jul 2015 #74

See this is the problem, so stop acting all wounded. TM99 Jul 2015 #78

Bernie Sanders a Virtual Unknown Among Black Voters marble falls Jul 2015 #79

Don't like NYT? Try the google: marble falls Jul 2015 #81

Now you trot out a month old article TM99 Jul 2015 #83

Nice try. Are you saying African Americans have evolved their opinion in the last month and .... marble falls Jul 2015 #84

Now you are just being a jerk. TM99 Jul 2015 #92

What is it with you and your insults? Grow up..... marble falls Jul 2015 #95

Yes, bluntly I believe that the AA and minority communities TM99 Jul 2015 #96

Bernie disagrees with you: marble falls Jul 2015 #97

I would recommend that you stop trying with him/her ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #117

Once again, you're the smarter person in the room. marble falls Jul 2015 #170

Could you possibly be more INSULTING? MADem Jul 2015 #201

This is not insulting in the least. TM99 Jul 2015 #206

Calling AA voters stupid is insulting. MADem Jul 2015 #211

No, we are not a special group. TM99 Jul 2015 #213

Mmmm hmmm. Fair winds and following seas, then! MADem Jul 2015 #214

AA voters are not stupid but no, we are not more informed than any other group Number23 Jul 2015 #220

I take your point, but I also know that white people don't routinely listen to MADem Jul 2015 #226

You wouldn't think that poster could possibly be anymore insulting.. but, I wouldn't bet on it. Cha Jul 2015 #303

Well. I have to agree with him/her on one point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #334

You can come back and not be insulted JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #267

I've seen enough. Between your performance in this thread and your idiotic performance a few months Number23 Jul 2015 #184

This is your bias. TM99 Jul 2015 #207

Like I said, the fact that you focused so much on that one word while ignoring their point Number23 Jul 2015 #208

the BS group supporters heaven05 Jul 2015 #69

As a Sandernista myself, I agree with you and don't get the disconnect between Bernie's.... marble falls Jul 2015 #85

With all due respect... gregcrawford Jul 2015 #45

The right and center are trying to swift boat Bernie SolutionisSolidarity Jul 2015 #56

I haven't seen the 'white elitist' comments JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #58

They are usually subtle. SolutionisSolidarity Jul 2015 #59

That's the problem 'Congress Critters' JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #63

You nailed it! gregcrawford Jul 2015 #60

No, some of Bernie's supporters are swiftboating Bernie, by acting like privileged idiots. MADem Jul 2015 #106

I can't see how he's best for the black community JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #57

It was never my intention to talk down to anyone... gregcrawford Jul 2015 #64

O'Malley -his experience is what I believe in JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #67

I don't know enough about O'Malley yet... gregcrawford Jul 2015 #80

In case you missed some of this, elleng Jul 2015 #165

Thanks elleng JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #187

Yes, and HERE, thanks to YOU, Gen! elleng Jul 2015 #203

Wow this thread is magnificent. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #236

Don't know where you live JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #253

You describe your reasons well. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #289

It's his understanding America screwed up JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #293

Gaaaaah.....see, you just did it!!! MADem Jul 2015 #164

Just everything you've said Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #222

Heh heh....! nt MADem Jul 2015 #246

May I just AMEN to everything you just uttered? You just took me to church. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #243

.............. MADem Jul 2015 #244

Yes, but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #263

Oooooh!!!!!! MADem Jul 2015 #269

"#BlackLivesMatter.. BUT.. " NO IFs, Ands, or BUTS. Cha Jul 2015 #306

You're right, and that applies to all the candidates still_one Jul 2015 #52

Just as you wish to have to avoid much flack being hurled in this protected group Autumn Jul 2015 #65

Come on--I welcomed Bernie to the primary, said straight up he was my 2nd choice, MADem Jul 2015 #168

Thank you for making that very clear, MADem. Cha Jul 2015 #224

WOW, the similarities are scary ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #264

Censorious busybodies are on a tear Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #68

No idea - I'm not really paying attention to the Clinton Campaign JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #82

I will tell ya, the way some of his (cough) supporters (cough) are talking, it's making me MADem Jul 2015 #102

I think a lot of so-called white progressives don't get BLM. kwassa Jul 2015 #221

I think you're right. Cries for help should not be met with "Yes, but..." nt MADem Jul 2015 #270

Pretty obvious Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #271

There is willfulness for sure. Chiquitita Jul 2015 #347

I'm a Bernie supporter but I have that group trashed Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #123

I would love to see a discussion about why he's doing poorly with AA people Warpy Jul 2015 #126

The problem I had with Bernie ... kwassa Jul 2015 #223

This is the reason BS could never be an option for me: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #249

Don't forget that Obama was playing Rope-A-Dope with Republicans around that time Warpy Jul 2015 #251

This is what we remember: Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #278

Yep, it was an infuriating time for all of us. Warpy Jul 2015 #279

What BRASS! MADem Jul 2015 #280

I was surprised when Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #282

Yeah, that vote against closing GITMO does smell like a trade of some sort. MADem Jul 2015 #286

Not only "I'm not a liberal", but "I've never been a liberal". And you're right, people "overlay".. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #283

I hate his views on gun control--his Brady Bill vote was a total WTF? MADem Jul 2015 #288

Thanks for the post. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #132

Bill spqr78 Jul 2015 #155

"The most popular politician among African-Americans is Bill Clinton." Really? Link? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #250

No, you are not the only Bernie supporter who has been blocked from the BS Group, Tobin.. Cha Jul 2015 #162

I remember your posts in this group and in previous iterations of the AA forum. Number23 Jul 2015 #196

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.... steve2470 Jul 2015 #205

Well did you open a can of worms or what? LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #232

Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #254

This is a good thread. lovemydog Jul 2015 #242

To the posters who keep trying to refute lovemydog Jul 2015 #294

"Black voters are better informed than white voters" shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #300

If you are here to trash black voters, just don't. bravenak Jul 2015 #301

He also whipped out a chart showing how blacks don't like Jews. Had it right at his fingertips. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #310

He can't stop whipping it out. lovemydog Jul 2015 #312

DUzy! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #314

Fucking awesome. bravenak Jul 2015 #313

Really? Where was this? n/t Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #316

here:- shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #318

I am not calling you a homophobe... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #317

Ok. Thank you for the explanation. I've seen alot of similar things myself. bravenak Jul 2015 #319

No worries shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #342

Your chart lovemydog Jul 2015 #311

Actually, it is shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #315

No, it isn't. lovemydog Jul 2015 #320

Maybe you should find a couple of other charts to put that one into context gollygee Jul 2015 #323

Shhh ... Argument Disruptions with Facts. LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #335

Reminds me of a joke. Sherlock Holmes lovemydog Jul 2015 #337

LOL. +1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #338

Sure shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #339

This is one of the best posts JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #327

Thanks JAG. lovemydog Jul 2015 #336

Incidentally shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #341

No - it's not JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #344