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Buzz cook

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89. Hang on there.

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:30 PM

Oct 2015

I admitted bringing Bernie up and apologized for it. I never asked you to apologize for anything and I don't think there is anything in this thread you need apologize for.

I don't know if there are new rules one way or the other, I am not here to enforce them if there are.

I have noticed that people on either side tend to go from conversation to anger pretty quickly.

btw I am a Clinton supporter.

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Since socialism is all the rage nowadays... [View all] Chitown Kev Oct 2015 OP

I think that this sentence says it all: WIProgressive88 Oct 2015 #1

Agreed, and many socialists have not done so. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #2

I agree with you... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #3

I can understand why they wouldn't have joined. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #5

but in practice it doesn't seem to have worked just as communism didn't work. JI7 Oct 2015 #4

Well...I think that genuine socialism has failed so far for entirely different reasons. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #6

i think the reason more socialist economies work in certain places is because they tend to be less JI7 Oct 2015 #8

Totally agree with that. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #9

Remember that at the time Orwell said this Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #11

Ah, thanks... F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #12

I'm not a magic bullet man. There is nothing that will resolve deeply ingrained, TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #90

Thanks for that interesting Orwell quote lovemydog Oct 2015 #7

I'm a socialist rooting for Hillary, so I'm neither fish nor fowl this election. Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #10

Question: how do you feel about socialist groups that explicitly F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #14

Heck, the revolutionary black liberation groups and agitators Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #15

Yep, I like them. They've got a lot of good material. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #16

You got that right. The handful of black Greens and other such groups that I know of Number23 Oct 2015 #23

You have such a way with words! ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #27

Seconded. lovemydog Oct 2015 #35

+++ Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #46

Awww. What a sweet and lovely thing to say! Number23 Oct 2015 #50

I don't understand why black americans gwheezie Oct 2015 #17

Our experiences aren't all that different, actually Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #21

I, too, was ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #29

Whereas I was introverted and rebellious Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #31

Oh, don't get it twisted ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #39

Those are lots of questions! :D Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #19

Thanks! F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #26

LOL ... Good luck with that! ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #30

I did something similar years ago- and we did two versions of the flyers- bettyellen Oct 2015 #33

Kick kjones Oct 2015 #13

Don't think the quote is germane to Bernie or this time frame. Buzz cook Oct 2015 #18

Although it was inevitable that Bernie Sanders became a part of this conversation Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #20

It always surprises me how many on the radical left fail to see F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #28

You'll have to define your terms Buzz cook Oct 2015 #85

It was the quote in particular not Orwell in general that I objected to. Buzz cook Oct 2015 #86

Actually, I didn't bring Senator Sanders up...YOU did. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #87

Hang on there. Buzz cook Oct 2015 #89

You'd be surprised, though Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #24

Awwww SHNAPP. Sooky sooky na Number23 Oct 2015 #22

lol, Well, in this case, it's more George Orwell's than mine Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #25

LOL! lovemydog Oct 2015 #36

Most white Americans believe capitalism is what affords them what they have, whatever that is randys1 Oct 2015 #32

Yes, it's a tough sell. lovemydog Oct 2015 #41

I know this will get me labelled, again and more, a 3rd-Way Centrist ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #53

Yes, the 'And then what?' lovemydog Oct 2015 #54

Well thank you! ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #55

Good point. lovemydog Oct 2015 #56

Yep ... Only it would be for real ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #59

I agree with the gist of the passage, particularly Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #34

Yes. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #37

I do see your point, Chitown Kev Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #43

Ah, I was wondering when someone would pay attention to that sentence. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #44

Oh yeah, the whiteness of the space Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #45

Ouch. I see that here in Seattle. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #49

This will be our next topic, in fact Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #52

Damn ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #57

Thank you! That means something Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #60

Yes, sir! ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #62

I owe the phrase "nice white progressive" to an old Kossack Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #63

Okay. Here is the one that started it ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #72

LOL, now I have that Schoolhouse Rock theme in my head Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #75

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #77

Aww, stop :) Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #68

I echo 1SBM. Your exchange with Kev in this thread is fantastic Number23 Oct 2015 #88

Newark riots gwheezie Oct 2015 #65

Or you can do as The University of Chicago did Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #66

The doors to the university gwheezie Oct 2015 #70

LOL...that entitlement rant Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #67

Maybe...maybe not Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #69

Okay and I look forward Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #71

I'm not going to leave you one ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #58

Thanks for this ongoing discussion everyone. lovemydog Oct 2015 #38

I hear more and more cons or teaparty are liking Bernie, that scares me as a Bernie supporter randys1 Oct 2015 #40

Haha, I hear you. lovemydog Oct 2015 #42

I was tabling today (for local elections) Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #47

It shows how dumb and uninformed they are. They support someone who is randys1 Oct 2015 #48

This. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #51

Ismnotwasm havent even tried to figure that out... randys1 Oct 2015 #73

I think it's F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #76

A.Phillip Randolph would probably disagree with Orwell. kwassa Oct 2015 #61

Some of this material has already been covered in this very comment thread Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #64

Do you expect me to actually read a thread before commenting on it? kwassa Oct 2015 #78

LOL, you do have a point, lol... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #82

Good quote. I'm not really here. bravenak Oct 2015 #74

I SEE YOU!!! scarletwoman Oct 2015 #79

How did this place get worse while I was gone? bravenak Oct 2015 #80

Good question. It's like a spreading madness, and not enough antibodies left to fight it. scarletwoman Oct 2015 #81

Glad you're back gwheezie Oct 2015 #83

Witty AND clever? Uh oh. Probably factual too. bravenak Oct 2015 #84