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Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 05:59 PM

Apr 2014

Sounds like my spot - 3 huge bookshelves full of African and African-descended authors and scholars. Paintings, art, music... Some of it passed down to me that I actually grew up with as a child.

To your discussion, as an example of disparate worldview, there have been thousands and thousands of Irish-descended Americans who proudly hung a replica of the official portrait of JFK in their homes, but if an AA does they same with a portrait of President Obama, the freak-out commences. We have heard the nonsensical arguments about "balkanization", and "hyphenated-Americans" (ironically, a term that itself is hyphenated).

I was always taught that "racism" was prejudice/bigotry against a certain racial group with the power to enforce discriminative actions that negatively impact that racial group.

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I recently found out that a visitor to my home considers me a racist ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 OP

Here is some irony for you angstlessk Apr 2014 #1

Bravo, 1SBM. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #2

The only question I have about what you write is a technical, definitional one. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #3

In college Springslips Apr 2014 #5

Thank you. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #8

growing up a zillion years ago, we were taught that roguevalley Apr 2014 #22

Bigotry is just is repugnant as racism ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #24

I can't agree with that. Bigotry against LGBT affects entire classes of people, not Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #176

Here, too, ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #186

It's important to understand the difference between "racism" and "predjudice" as discussed in the OP Maedhros Apr 2014 #44

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #83

it was never meant to make sense noiretextatique Apr 2014 #205

No argument here. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2014 #206

However ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #20

That's what I learned as well. TBF Apr 2014 #143

Check out the discussion in this thread MrScorpio Apr 2014 #7

Yes, thanks. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #9

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #19

AA School Principal who Harasses and Fires a White Subordinate.... Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #72

Racial Bigotry. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #98

No its RACISM! Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #189

No it's bigotry. The system did not back him up. bravenak Apr 2014 #191

Okay, but where is that alternate universe where ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #194

Please explain the difference: Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #201

Institutional control is much, much broader ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #204

She may have been affected by the RW noise machine. xfundy Apr 2014 #4

Umm... gcomeau Apr 2014 #6

Think about this: MrScorpio Apr 2014 #12

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I'm sorry... gcomeau Apr 2014 #76

Well, let me ask you this� MrScorpio Apr 2014 #78

Ok... gcomeau Apr 2014 #108

What makes the dictionary the ultimate authority on what the word racism means? Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #110

Sociologists may define it so... gcomeau Apr 2014 #111

Black people can't be racist until they have the power to be racist Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #112

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Has it never occurred to folks ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #147

Being racist requires no power. Only a belief. gcomeau Apr 2014 #158

individual racists are not the issue noiretextatique Apr 2014 #208

Says who exactly? gcomeau Apr 2014 #213

You are all argument and not all ears ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #216

Uh-huh... gcomeau Apr 2014 #218

Funny how "progressive" are all about being progressive ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #220

Think through that again. gcomeau Apr 2014 #221

Please think through what I wrote a first time ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #222

Yes, it is you. gcomeau Apr 2014 #223

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #224

Yeah, that's a devastating rebuttal right there. -eom gcomeau Apr 2014 #225

Well just remember JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #226

Not trying to present a devastating rebuttal ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #227

And you clearly just don't read.... gcomeau Apr 2014 #230

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #231

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I am not changing the meaning of words, this is not a new concept Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #121

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Usage of words change all the time. It's not a matter of authority. M0rpheus Apr 2014 #125

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Because it affects me... daily. M0rpheus Apr 2014 #128

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Compelling arguments. Bravo. Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #10

"... blacks cannot be racist." greiner3 Apr 2014 #13

But "racist" does not equal bigotry ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #23

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1SBM is considering the term "racism" in a much more sociological rather than colloquial sense. Maedhros Apr 2014 #46

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No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #55

It's tough to get your head around the first few times you Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #101

Yet ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #102

Indeed Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #106

it is beyond not buying it noiretextatique Apr 2014 #209

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #210

pretty much noiretextatique Apr 2014 #211

The majority of sociologists are white Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #56

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Welcome back! Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #64

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No, I suspect you will soon find out that bigots are not welcome Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #66

Wow! What did I miss? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #103

You missed one of the most hateful posts I have seen on this site Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #107

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #114

He only made it to two Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #115

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #54

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No, actually it does. gcomeau Apr 2014 #77

NO, IT ISN'T ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #82

No they do not. gcomeau Apr 2014 #105

Could one ask for a better example of what I ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #113

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Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #138

For cripes sake... gcomeau Apr 2014 #159

I since frustration ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #181

I already understand just fine thank you. gcomeau Apr 2014 #214

See ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #215

Then by all means... gcomeau Apr 2014 #219

My father in law said something a few years ago that might connect here ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #11

That is put bery well, in my experience. pangaia Apr 2014 #15

It wasn't my daughters fieind that finds my racist ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #25

Default Setting JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #91

BRAVO MY BROTHER!! rury Apr 2014 #14

That's some heavy shit, but I truly understand. Thanks. AAO Apr 2014 #16

Ask your daughter's friend zentrum Apr 2014 #17

She would have never given it a thought ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #26

Oh hell, I can't imagine that Scootaloo Apr 2014 #80

Yeah, I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #81

Of course blacks can be racist; have you ever listened to Farrakhan talk about "white devils"? 7962 Apr 2014 #18

Does The Minister Farrakhan's discussions of "white devils" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #29

There are plenty of examples of blacks in power doing the same thing that whites have done, 7962 Apr 2014 #35

there is no system privileging blacks over whites. racism is not just bigotry La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #40

Name one of these plenty examples ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #42

You do realize that White people are no longer in the majority in California, don't you? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #60

Well said. 7962 Apr 2014 #68

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #69

The power and reinforcing structure in Los Angeles. Here are the city council members and their JDPriestly Apr 2014 #167

I also lived in Los Angeles for many years, and it is not the racial utopia you make it out to be. kwassa Apr 2014 #212

I wasn't going to say anything; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #217

What do you want us to do? M0rpheus Apr 2014 #73

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #109

Here's one for you from just last year: 7962 Apr 2014 #67

Thom Hartmann discussed the difference between "racism" and "predjudice" on his radio show, Maedhros Apr 2014 #47

Most of the music in my house -- CDs, sheet music -- is old time country music OldRedneck Apr 2014 #21

I'm sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #31

Jazz does move me. Does that mean I am biased toward African-Americans? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #61

Ahhh, common ground ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #70

As a Yankee who lived as a teenager in the pre-1960s South, I understand the suffering of JDPriestly Apr 2014 #157

Only Patsy Cline and Loretta Lynn. bravenak Apr 2014 #39

Patsy transcends color lines Laughing Mirror Apr 2014 #118

I love her too much. bravenak Apr 2014 #192

That reminds me, Leadbelly was a big Gene Autry fan BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #154

Thank you for putting your discussion out here. NBachers Apr 2014 #27

everyone is "racist" alc Apr 2014 #28

no, the word has a very definite meaning. it's a system that privileges one race over another La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #38

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I guess my question to you would be: why is it important to erase the distinction? Maedhros Apr 2014 #53

If you think you can understand a complex social issue by reading the dictionary you are mistaken Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #62

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I'll rephrase my question from a few posts up and direct it to you: Maedhros Apr 2014 #132

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The distinction has been made by a great number of people, not just me. Maedhros Apr 2014 #136

it has multiple meanings Enrique Apr 2014 #153

Lost its meaning to whom? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #48

The word institution is not in the definition of racism... Blanks Apr 2014 #88

Wow gollygee Apr 2014 #30

I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #33

And on that I'm with you 100%! 7962 Apr 2014 #36

"Whitesplaining" [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2014 #99

A lot of people think that simply going to Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #104

I'm sorry that happened to you. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #32

I'm not ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #34

you were far more patient than i would have been. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #37

Honestly ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #49

ahh. i see. i am glad you tried to explain systematic oppressions vs individual bigotry La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #58

You did good. bravenak Apr 2014 #41

So woule you consider a person who described himself as follows a white racist: JDPriestly Apr 2014 #51

I'd slightly disagree with the "can't be racist" JoeyT Apr 2014 #52

Without the power, it's bigotry. jeff47 Apr 2014 #71

...do not define myself, or my condition, relative to white folks...no reason to talk them down.. freshwest Apr 2014 #74

I go away for a few hours... MrScorpio Apr 2014 #75

Ok, that's just, well...pathetic! And your visitor was....ummmm, what's the word? Racist!!!! MADem Apr 2014 #79

Substitute "white" for "black" and vice versa throughout your OP... Not Sure Apr 2014 #84

Would anyone else like to point out the inherent problems with this post? MrScorpio Apr 2014 #85

Oh dear JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #93

Bjorn Against did a dynamite job, I gotta say MrScorpio Apr 2014 #94

Sure did! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #97

Here is the difference between uplifting the black community and uplifting the white community Bjorn Against Apr 2014 #86

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #90

+2 MrScorpio Apr 2014 #100

Knocked it out of the park! M0rpheus Apr 2014 #119

Amazing post!! I had to take a break from this place and am just seeing this post Number23 Apr 2014 #239

I hope heaven05 Apr 2014 #87

Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #92

They can't "see" it heaven JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #95

I'm just laughing at some of the responses to this thread JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #89

I for one LOVE when white liberals get self righteous and judgmental IronLionZion Apr 2014 #96

what a great conversation! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #117

Applicable quote Lamonte Apr 2014 #124

How is that applicable to this discussion? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #141

Wtf did that even mean? bravenak Apr 2014 #195

I have no clue ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #197

That's a strange question for a visitor to ask... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #127

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #139

Ok, I understand now Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #140

Very interesting discussion The Traveler Apr 2014 #131

You are lamentably correct about much of what you post. Maedhros Apr 2014 #133

That reminds me of Mr. Scorpio's "Privilege" post of a couple weeks ago ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #144

Sometimes it IS best to shut up and listen. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2014 #145

"Don't tell me to STFU!" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #149

To that person, I would say this: Maedhros Apr 2014 #150

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As long as white folks JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #165

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Damned if you didn't just make the point. M0rpheus Apr 2014 #170

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Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #177

Nothing JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #182

He said almost the same thing you said in the "STFU" post above M0rpheus Apr 2014 #190

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #196

You can take that position The Traveler Apr 2014 #160

The more we talk about these things, the more we iron out the points of misunderstanding. Maedhros Apr 2014 #173

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #178

Agreed. Maedhros Apr 2014 #187

That would general be true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #193

Yes!!!! The Traveler Apr 2014 #207

You can be open to new ideas and reject them Bok_Tukalo Apr 2014 #228

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #232

If you say so. Bok_Tukalo Apr 2014 #233

There are ideas ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #234

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Point taken ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #142

Hmmmm ... close The Traveler Apr 2014 #164

Most of the books on my shelves are by white people ... eppur_se_muova Apr 2014 #134

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Is the blonde, blue-eyed Jesus equally sacrilegious? arcane1 Apr 2014 #166

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Or, does it reflect unconscious bias on my part ... ;) eppur_se_muova Apr 2014 #172

Wouldn't this be dependent on the particular culture/country you're living in? pnwmom Apr 2014 #146

That would be the case ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #151

So even these, assuming they're true, aren't examples of racism? pnwmom Apr 2014 #155

No, this is not "racism" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #179

Below I made the point JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #183

I think you have to consider the life experience of black Americans JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #180

I'm not very familiar with the DeBlasio situation pnwmom Apr 2014 #184

Stop and Frisk JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #188

I'm glad you joined DU! DocMac Apr 2014 #148

I despise him ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #152

I have not read this whole thread...sorry no time right now passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #161

As the OP starter ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #198

I don't think about people by their color either. passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #202

K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #163

Your spot is the kind of spot every Black child should be raised ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #199

What is cool is that one book I have is "Before the Mayflower" BumRushDaShow Apr 2014 #203

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #174

I am thinking that she is still young TNNurse Apr 2014 #175

You should JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #185

Kick! bravenak Apr 2014 #200

Nice discussion. Feral Child Apr 2014 #229

In short: MrScorpio Apr 2014 #235

I see what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #236

Good call nt MrScorpio Apr 2014 #237

Really really good point JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #238

Ahh yes, the "YES YOU CAN BE A RACIST TOO!" randys1 Apr 2014 #240

It puzzles me ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #241