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gollygee

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10. Our society has worked really hard to teach us that racism is wrong
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:11 PM
Sep 2014

and I think most of us in the white community have learned that. Some of course have rejected it.

I think the response for those of us who have learned the lesson that racism is wrong has been to control the definition of "racism" and make sure it doesn't include us. Racism is defined by most people in the white community as something so vile that, yeah, people are really upset by the suggestion. You've heard the rejections here of the definition used by sociologists.

This is hard work, accepting the concept of privilege, and accepting that racism is a huge societal force everyone has grown up with and is (in one way or another) affected by, rather than the work of a relatively small number of horrible people. So when you talk about racism, understanding it as a huge societal force that everyone is affected by, they hear what you say but replace it with their definition of racism - horrible people doing horrible things. So then they feel like you're calling them horrible. If you have to even discuss racism around them, the assumption is that you must feel they are akin to KKK members, and they feel personally insulted.

Second, a lot of the liberal movement comes from the labor movement. I'm a huge supporter of labor and unionization, but I have to also recognize that there is some ugly racist history in the labor movement. There are probably a reasonable number of liberals who are liberal because of their support of labor but who reject any notion of racial equality - who are just plain racist by anyone's definition. I don't know how many there are at DU, but it's certainly possible some may be here.

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Because they're not really liberals or progressives. They're trolls. nt valerief Sep 2014 #1
I wish it were that easy to write the phenomena off ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #2
No they're not. Not at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #18
The fear of being called a racist... YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #3
But, I cannot ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #4
Maybe they want a pass? YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #6
“I’m not racist,” he said. “I’m Swedish.” FrodosPet Sep 2014 #23
That is a very good article. nt MADem Sep 2014 #26
Interesting. "Hand me my smelling salts, Vera. I've been ***accused*** yet again!" valerief Sep 2014 #5
LOL. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #7
LOL! Exactly... YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #9
Thank you. I really appreciate your honest response. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #19
Our society has worked really hard to teach us that racism is wrong gollygee Sep 2014 #10
I appreciate all of that; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #12
I don't mean that you are suggesting it gollygee Sep 2014 #14
I have to agree with you here. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #15
I will hazard an answer. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #11
I can't argue with that. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #13
Black DUers would be very wealthy if we all recounted how many times this scenario has played out. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #20
Many whites are very uncomfortable talking about race ... kwassa Sep 2014 #16
I think many black people understand this and may be able to emphathize with it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #21
They do this all the time, 1SBM. All the time! See my Michael Moore thread for Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #17
... Because, in the end, ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #22
All us white folk live white privelege daily, even those of us with the best of intentions randys1 Sep 2014 #24
Maybe they think they're acting like racists, in their heart of hearts? MADem Sep 2014 #25
Honestly, I think we are all bigots. It is something we have all been taught notadmblnd Sep 2014 #27
I'm not a bigot JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #28
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