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longship

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6. There's no escape from the logic

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 01:08 PM

Mar 2012

...unless you believe only in faith.

These faith arguments are the same ones which Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Daniel C. Dennett, Victor Stenger, PZ Myers, Bertrand Russell, and many others have been dismissing for decades. No faith arguments survive these assaults.

The Repug party is so repugnant solely because they have been taken over by a Christian cabal. However nobody in the major media is saying this, or anything like it (except Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.).

Dennett's Breaking the Spell spells this out with copious detail. "Faith" is not a valid play in this game. In fact it's a move that excludes you from the dialog. We're not going to allow you to play the faith card. It's an exclusionary tactic which is invalid in this context.

My take in this is that the longer we wait before we take on --- head on --- the overtly religious forces of the Repugs (and make no mistake, there's no difference between Republican and religious fundamentalist) the longer it will be before we'll have reasonable political dialog. This has to be our primary strategic goal.

Sorry for the rant. I just had to get that off my chest. I'm f*cking sick and tired of these Repugnant church people.

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The Fallacy of Faith [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2012 OP

There's a new religion afloat these past couple decades, marsis Mar 2012 #1

True, but they aren't all just Republicans. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #2

Oh Yeah marsis Mar 2012 #9

Faith Is Just A Shield 1ProudAtheist Mar 2012 #3

Do you realize that your total non-faith is as illogical to many people of faith humblebum Mar 2012 #4

Where's the logic in blindly accepting a proposition? laconicsax Mar 2012 #5

It is not a matter of "logic in blindly accepting a proposition?" humblebum Mar 2012 #7

I see the straw fairy left you something under your pillow last night. laconicsax Mar 2012 #8

Just the answer I expected, and thanks for the "young" comment. Not many humblebum Mar 2012 #10

I must have underestimated how much straw you had. laconicsax Mar 2012 #18

Um? yeh. OK. humblebum Mar 2012 #23

Understanding "their beliefs and ideas" mr blur Mar 2012 #11

I see why they call you mr blur. humblebum Mar 2012 #12

Guessing as all you seem to do. You have no idea. You show, mr blur Mar 2012 #20

Um? Excuse me, but you began our conversation. Therefore, humblebum Mar 2012 #22

It's only illogical because at some point you have to dismiss reason to support your faith. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #13

Reason is never dismissed. That is the great fallacy of atheism. humblebum Mar 2012 #14

Yeah, ok. If that make you feel better about your faith... cleanhippie Mar 2012 #17

The "great fallacy of atheism" is that it requires coherent thought? laconicsax Mar 2012 #19

So coherent thought is a fallacy? Did I ever say humblebum Mar 2012 #21

I see your goalposts are on rollers. laconicsax Mar 2012 #24

You do have a way of twisting words, don't you? I feel quite comfortable humblebum Mar 2012 #25

So directly quoting you is "twisting words," is it? laconicsax Mar 2012 #26

Where did I ever say that? But by implying that I substituted skeptical reasoning for humblebum Mar 2012 #27

I gotta gove you credit, humblebum, you are never afraid to deny that you wrote something, even when cleanhippie Mar 2012 #28

Most everything strikes you as a strange thought. nt humblebum Mar 2012 #30

Ahh, the personal insult, the last stand of a person with no argument. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #35

Guess that means you have no argument, huh? nt humblebum Mar 2012 #39

I find your willful denial of reality to be interesting. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #42

And, no doubt strange. nt humblebum Mar 2012 #44

I think you are confusing "rationalizing" with "reasoning." cleanhippie Mar 2012 #29

Funny. That's exactly what you are doing with your extremely narrow POV. humblebum Mar 2012 #31

Still beating that straw man, I see. laconicsax Mar 2012 #32

Straw men don't argue back. This one does. nt humblebum Mar 2012 #33

If an inanimate object is talking to you, you should seek psychiatric help. laconicsax Mar 2012 #34

Here ya go, it's from his Greatest Hits collection. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #36

Thanks. laconicsax Mar 2012 #41

There's no escape from the logic longship Mar 2012 #6

a good read deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #15

Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe. rug Mar 2012 #16

Faith is not wanting to know what is true. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #37

You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, rug Mar 2012 #38

sounds like a good arguement for atheism deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #40

Our principles are founded on the immovable basis of equal right and reason cleanhippie Mar 2012 #43

Reason itself is fallible, and this fallibility must find a place in our logic. rug Mar 2012 #45