Religion

cbayer

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41. Hold on a minute. We have no disagreement about keeping religion out of government.

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:03 PM

Jan 2015

You really have a case to make there, but zero case when it comes saying that they need changing to better suit your sensibilities.

You are mixing apples and oranges. Arguing with people about this not being the basis for laws is a righteous cause, but thinking your are leading them to "positive rethinking" smacks of proselytizing. Are you trying to save them?

I don't think you have offered anything at all that would suggest that the ten commandments when embraced by individuals has a negative societal or political impact.

To be honest, some of them are pretty good guidelines for individuals, even if you don't believe in a god.

In New Orleans, some of the local churches bought billboard space and put put the simple message "Thou shalt not kill". It elicited a rather profound and positive response from the community.

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They speak to MALE patriarchal values. . . Stargleamer Jan 2015 #58

Here's a good explanation... Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #2

Most of these are just universal laws. leftofcool Jan 2015 #3

The first 4 are bullshit. The rest are common sense. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #9

Let's talk about "Thal shall not covet" Lordquinton Jan 2015 #16

Um, no YarnAddict Jan 2015 #18

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Not all parents are worthy of honor. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #13

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This is the poison of religion, regardless of source, why should anything be above humanity? Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #54

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Unless you consider edhopper Jan 2015 #69

No, I didn't miss it. okasha Jan 2015 #73

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The two of you are terribly defensive. okasha Jan 2015 #83

I think edhopper Jan 2015 #84

Go away okasha, you are arguing with a strawman you constructed in your mind... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #71

No, thank you. okasha Jan 2015 #75

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You question didn't even make sense, as is typical of your posts, you prefer to be obtuse than clear Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #88

Wrong ten commandments! LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #4

NRSVCE Cartoonist Jan 2015 #5

Way too many LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #7

Well I was told in no uncertain terms here that there is only one version. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #10

Yeah, whichever one they're holding in their hand. nt Cartoonist Jan 2015 #11

So they can beat you about the head and neck with it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #14

The large-type editions really smart, I'm told. n/t. bvf Jan 2015 #92

Really? bvf Jan 2015 #93

The right one of course. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #98

Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk. longship Jan 2015 #8

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The BAD ASHTEISTS coven is considering expanding the menu from roasted babies. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #29

It'll never catch on with Fundamentalist Atheists mr blur Jan 2015 #61

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If there is a god, I'm putting money on it not kissing your ass. cbayer Jan 2015 #22

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I love that commandment but I confess that I fall short too often. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Cartoonist Jan 2015 #20

Or this one. I think it's from the old, old testament. cbayer Jan 2015 #23

This is offensive to most Christians, and some Jewish folks and some Muslims! cbayer Jan 2015 #21

Why is it offensive edhopper Jan 2015 #24

You can ask anything you want. cbayer Jan 2015 #25

I understand you don't like the tone of the OP edhopper Jan 2015 #27

I think they should be open for discussion by those who are sincerely interested in discussing them. cbayer Jan 2015 #30

I don't think that is true edhopper Jan 2015 #32

It doesn't matter how many people support it, it is a first amendment violation and cbayer Jan 2015 #33

People edhopper Jan 2015 #36

I think it's a complete waste of time and similar to evangelical proselytizing, but cbayer Jan 2015 #37

Well edhopper Jan 2015 #38

True that, but trying to talk them out of the ten commandments is quite a different thing. cbayer Jan 2015 #39

The first four edhopper Jan 2015 #40

Hold on a minute. We have no disagreement about keeping religion out of government. cbayer Jan 2015 #41

I thought we were talking about edhopper Jan 2015 #42

As we previously discussed, those are first amendment issues cbayer Jan 2015 #43

People who take passages of the Bible literally edhopper Jan 2015 #47

Yes, but how does that apply to the 10 commandments? cbayer Jan 2015 #48

Blue laws edhopper Jan 2015 #50

I've got an idea! Let's start re-education camps! cbayer Jan 2015 #52

Really? edhopper Jan 2015 #59

Not worthy of reply? Yet you did. cbayer Jan 2015 #62

Well hows about being attacked for violating the sabbath? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #85

Um? edhopper Jan 2015 #44

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I see it as all connected edhopper Jan 2015 #49

Of course you see it as all connected and that is a big part of the cbayer Jan 2015 #51

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So you are now Speaker for Most Christians, Some Jews and Some Muslims? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #34

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Got to love #3. Ink Man Jan 2015 #57

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