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stone space

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135. I'm sure that we disagree...

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:10 PM

Feb 2015

...on lots of things, including definitions.

Maybe we even have disagreements on the nature of the struggle between Church and State.

Who knows?

But the demonization of Militants that goes on here in this forum needs to stop.

GODS OF METAL PLOWSHARES

On May 17, 1998, the 30th anniversary of the Catonsville Nine action, Sr. Carol Gilbert, OP, and Sr. Ardeth Platte, OP., previous plowshares participants from Jonah House; Fr. Larry Morlan of the Silo Plowshares; Fr. Frank Cordaro, from Des Moines, Iowa; and Kathy Boylan, past plowshares participant, disarmed a nuclear-capable B-52 bombers during the Department of Defense Open House at Andrews Air Force Base. As hundreds of spectators looked on, the five poured blood and hammered on the inside and outside of the bomb bay missile hatches and doors of the plane. Ardeth was temporarily restrained by a spectator but was able to rejoin the others. As the group began their action, Fr. Cordaro shouted: “Sisters and Brothers, let us disarm these gods of metal.” The group then unfurled their banner, prayed, passed out leaflets to those nearby and explained to onlookers the meaning of their action. They were then arrested and placed under arrest by base security. They were charged with depredation of government property and released.

On September 22, they were tried by a judge in US Federal Court in Greenbelt, MD. Their two-day trial included moving testimony from each defendant, and International law expert, Francis Boyle, was allowed to testify. Following their conviction they requested immediate sentencing. When they were denied this request, they informed the court they could not promise to return for sentencing. They remained in jail until January 4, their sentencing date. Frank, Carol and Ardeth were sentenced to six months in jail while Larry was sentenced to four months imprisonment. Due to her previous record, Kathy was given a 10-month prison sentence.

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Hi. I'm a militant atheist. Do you fear me? [View all] stone space Feb 2015 OP

This is what I fear. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #1

OMFG!!! PUT A TRIGGER WARNING IN YOUR SUBJECT LINE!!! trotsky Feb 2015 #4

What am i missing edhopper Feb 2015 #5

Long story. My wife and I have some goats as pets in her country. stone space Feb 2015 #148

That sounds weird edhopper Feb 2015 #150

Not sure how else to explain it. stone space Feb 2015 #151

I doubt atheism has anything to do with it edhopper Feb 2015 #152

OK, I give up. stone space Feb 2015 #153

I don't know edhopper Feb 2015 #154

All I know is that it started... stone space Feb 2015 #155

I guess there are those here edhopper Feb 2015 #156

Then they're wrong. stone space Feb 2015 #157

Ah, that explains it. okasha Feb 2015 #167

Fear doesn't even come close skepticscott Feb 2015 #2

I don't think everyone is using the word 'militant' in the same way. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #3

It's a first for me, too. But remember what they said about MLK, ... stone space Feb 2015 #6

When did the preferred adjective for atheists change from "rabid" to "militant"? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #7

Wow. I hope that I never hear that one. Rabies is a horrible desease. stone space Feb 2015 #9

Cancer is used quite a bit. Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #12

My TV has an "off" button made just for such occaisions. stone space Feb 2015 #42

Eh, I think militant is worse Fumesucker Feb 2015 #16

Certainly with folks accusing us of... stone space Feb 2015 #20

seriously? 64 years old somehow I haven't heard that one until now.. but I tend to use the term ... 2banon Feb 2015 #59

In this group, "rabid" okasha Feb 2015 #22

wow (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #23

When "rabid" is used to mean skepticscott Feb 2015 #74

now reserved for "rabid apologists" for religion, AlbertCat Feb 2015 #81

I think the whole problem is that you don't mean the word the same way others understand it. Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #8

I mean confrontational. stone space Feb 2015 #10

militant non-violent Lordquinton Feb 2015 #11

Why do you accuse us of burning churches? (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #15

No accusations, it's what actual militant atheists do Lordquinton Feb 2015 #27

Now we're like Nazis? stone space Feb 2015 #29

yes that is exactly the point that was made. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #31

Yeah, atheists are evil. We're just a bunch of church burning nazis. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #32

I like pie. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #72

Who doesn't? trotsky Feb 2015 #83

What part of the goat does pie come from? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #126

The head, obviously. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #138

You don't think edhopper Feb 2015 #33

militant = active nonviolence Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #35

Would you demonize militants like MLK? stone space Feb 2015 #37

OK. Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #39

I don't do facebook. Nor am I a twit. stone space Feb 2015 #41

OK, scrolled back. Somebody else. stone space Feb 2015 #43

You have me confused. Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #46

Uh...no...you mentioned facebook. stone space Feb 2015 #49

Well, since we are going old school, Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #51

Oh, please do tell! stone space Feb 2015 #54

"Upper Class Twit of the Year" Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #56

What does it mean to be militant on an internet board? stone space Feb 2015 #47

So do you own a dictionary? trotsky Feb 2015 #50

Chat board militants? stone space Feb 2015 #52

We don't know each other in real life. Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #57

We discuss real world experiences all the time. stone space Feb 2015 #65

You know exactly what I meant Lordquinton Feb 2015 #159

The very definition of "militant" contradicts your use of "nonviolent" Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #14

Shoud militant atheists be demonized? stone space Feb 2015 #21

I am an atheist. Maedhros Feb 2015 #26

Some folks have been trying.... stone space Feb 2015 #30

You aren't a militant atheist. Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #36

MLK was marginalized. stone space Feb 2015 #40

Take things out of context much? Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #44

This isn't about Domestic Terrorists like Craig Hicks. stone space Feb 2015 #45

I have been in more than one dust up edhopper Feb 2015 #48

Surely you understand that the understood usage implies violence Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #17

Did you read the definition that you posted? stone space Feb 2015 #18

No, *I'm* not talking about mlk or your other friends. You are. Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #19

It's about militants. stone space Feb 2015 #24

I honestly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #25

A "clueless" MLK on militant nonviolence stone space Feb 2015 #34

A clueless Fred Flintstone on "gay" Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #58

Reading the responses to this OP has been interesting. chervilant Feb 2015 #158

Yes, people can absolutely pick their own labels. Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #163

Wave my finger at you? chervilant Feb 2015 #164

May have misread your tone. Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #165

Even if militant meant what you think it means Lordquinton Feb 2015 #13

"Militant"? bvf Feb 2015 #28

MLK could have used whatever words you are thinking of. stone space Feb 2015 #38

I wasn't referring to MLK. bvf Feb 2015 #55

Because he was a powerful and gifted orator Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #61

^^THIS^^ Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #62

The dynamite goes... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #64

That'll teach them Damn Godless Atheistic Russian Commies a lesson! (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #67

Mrs. Pronoun and Mr. Antecedent want to spend their lives together. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #73

Do you EVER read what you've written before you hit "Post"? mr blur Feb 2015 #76

I "read" an image of a nuclear weapon. stone space Feb 2015 #77

I'd like to see how militant goats respond to pie. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #91

damn, now I want a gyro! n/t Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #104

OMG!!! The Russians are Comming! The Russians are Comming! stone space Feb 2015 #66

Journal, day two Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #69

You are trying to make people scared of militant atheists... stone space Feb 2015 #70

Journal addendum Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #71

Sometimes the clue stick, even the very large clue stick, is useless. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #78

AWESOME. trotsky Feb 2015 #68

I'm atheist, but I have not much to gain trying Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #53

I use the term "Rabid" quite deliberately.. 2banon Feb 2015 #60

Militant atheists most certainly exist. stone space Feb 2015 #63

i dont fear you your bunny wrote Feb 2015 #75

Same here. stone space Feb 2015 #82

but i dont want burn anything . AlbertCat Feb 2015 #85

Your post TexasTowelie Feb 2015 #162

Your insistence on fighting a (losing) battle over the semantics of "militant" Maedhros Feb 2015 #79

Should I step into the closet? (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #80

Depends on how big your closet is. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #109

If you must. PassingFair Feb 2015 #172

Sorry, but I wil not go quietly to the closet. stone space Feb 2015 #173

Your posts puzzle and amuse me. PassingFair Feb 2015 #174

I don't fear you and congrats on someone starting a mocking thread in the other room. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #84

On, no, that can't possibly be correct. cbayer Feb 2015 #88

Well i am not going to judge how they run their room but the threads speak for themselves hrmjustin Feb 2015 #94

I can't see that particular thread, but I am sure it is just more of the cbayer Feb 2015 #105

The thread I was mentioning is typical of the op. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #106

It's kind of like the comic pages of your local newspaper. cbayer Feb 2015 #107

Thanks and I take care of it when they wonder in to cause mischief. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #108

Imagine okasha Feb 2015 #146

I love it! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #147

*sigh* Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #96

vestitu ne maxime punire Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #90

Some people just can't help themselves. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #92

I like mocking. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #97

Good natured mocking is perfectly fine but mean spirited mocking is hurtful. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #98

oh now you've done it! Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #100

Oh I have come to expect your posts now. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #103

Romanes eunt domus? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #93

I guess it's an honor of sorts. stone space Feb 2015 #119

So, do you post something in the echo chamber and then rush over to see mr blur Feb 2015 #169

No actually mocking threads of other members are not allowed in Interfaith. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #170

You need to provide a precise and concise definition. cbayer Feb 2015 #86

Uh-oh, friendly fire! AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #87

Good luck with that. n/t Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #95

I read the whole thread before I asked and I am still not getting cbayer Feb 2015 #99

I honestly hope you get a straight answer, because I'm at a loss. n/t Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #101

Would some examples help? stone space Feb 2015 #112

Why do you want to blow up goats? Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #122

In case you don't see it below, I think I understand. cbayer Feb 2015 #125

I did see that exchange, yes Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #131

You once self-identified as a militant. stone space Feb 2015 #111

I was actively involved in the anti-war movement. We had a cause. I am at a cbayer Feb 2015 #114

I've been involved in a number of things. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #116

What is your cause that would warrant calling yourself a militant atheist? cbayer Feb 2015 #118

I can give you an example if you want, but... stone space Feb 2015 #120

OK, I'm getting the picture. You are these two things but they are not related to cbayer Feb 2015 #121

Will I be billed for the psychoanalysis? stone space Feb 2015 #123

This bears no resemblance at all to psychoanalysis, but I am beginning cbayer Feb 2015 #124

I'm sure that we disagree... stone space Feb 2015 #135

I doubt that we disagree on all that much really, but cbayer Feb 2015 #149

Active, confrontational nonviolent action/resistance. stone space Feb 2015 #110

MLK used it in describing his civil rights work. What are you cbayer Feb 2015 #113

Calling out bigotry is not baiting. stone space Feb 2015 #115

You are not calling out bigotry at all. You are fabricating an argument. cbayer Feb 2015 #117

Hahaa no, I don't fear unarmed people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #89

Indeed. trotsky Feb 2015 #102

Please tell me Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #127

A couple of things EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #128

I will not be pushed into the closet. stone space Feb 2015 #129

If you self identify with a term that's insulting to atheists and is used by violent atheists EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #130

We are not terrorists. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #132

I didn't say you were EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #133

This is McCarthyism, plain and simple. stone space Feb 2015 #134

Amazing EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #137

What does this even mean? stone space Feb 2015 #168

I'd believed for a time that you were being purposefully obtuse EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #171

You want to rethink edhopper Feb 2015 #136

I'm an optimist EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #139

but keep edhopper Feb 2015 #141

Who is we? Lordquinton Feb 2015 #161

Eliminate closets? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #140

Gay rights stuff. I'm a militant atheist, remember? stone space Feb 2015 #142

Oh, I get it. You're comparing your experiences here to stigmatization homosexuals face. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #143

Oh good greif! (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #144

I disagree. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #145

He's already compared himself to MLK Lordquinton Feb 2015 #160

An absurd and self-indulgent thread, moderators would have removed it back in the day. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #166