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In reply to the discussion: In Age of Science, Is Religion 'Harmful Superstition'? [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)30. Oh hell yes:
One of the most moving sections of your book is about Ashley King. Tell us her story and how it illustrates the dangers of religion?
It illustrates the dangers of what I call, vertical proselytizing faith, where you enforce your beliefs of religion on your kids when theyre too young to know otherwise. This religion is Christian Science, in which disease is seen as having spiritual causes. Christian Scientists reject science-based medicine in favor of prayer and spiritual healing.
Ashley King was the daughter of two well-off Christian Scientists in Arizona. Not the toothless Bible thumpers you think of when you think of fundamentalists. Ashley developed a lump on her leg, which turned out to be bone cancer. Instead of taking her to a doctor, they took her out of school and tried to treat her with prayer. The lump eventually got to be as big as a watermelon. Child services finally took her away from her parents.
Ashley went to the hospital and the doctor said, Its too late. This tumors too big. But we can give her some time by amputating her leg. Her parents refused and stopped her being given pain-killing medicine.
Instead, they put her in a Christian Science sanatorium, which, by the way, is subsidized by the U.S. government. Her medicine consisted of giving her water and prayer. She started shrieking and crying out. The thing was incredibly painful. But all they did was pray. Finally, she died.
Her parents were prosecuted and convicted, but they were only given unsupervised probation. In 43 out of 50 American states, faith healing that harms your children is not a civil or criminal problem. Thousands of kids have died through Christian Science and the Followers of Christ in Oregon and Idaho. There are graveyards filled with dead kids who were given faith healing.
It illustrates the dangers of what I call, vertical proselytizing faith, where you enforce your beliefs of religion on your kids when theyre too young to know otherwise. This religion is Christian Science, in which disease is seen as having spiritual causes. Christian Scientists reject science-based medicine in favor of prayer and spiritual healing.
Ashley King was the daughter of two well-off Christian Scientists in Arizona. Not the toothless Bible thumpers you think of when you think of fundamentalists. Ashley developed a lump on her leg, which turned out to be bone cancer. Instead of taking her to a doctor, they took her out of school and tried to treat her with prayer. The lump eventually got to be as big as a watermelon. Child services finally took her away from her parents.
Ashley went to the hospital and the doctor said, Its too late. This tumors too big. But we can give her some time by amputating her leg. Her parents refused and stopped her being given pain-killing medicine.
Instead, they put her in a Christian Science sanatorium, which, by the way, is subsidized by the U.S. government. Her medicine consisted of giving her water and prayer. She started shrieking and crying out. The thing was incredibly painful. But all they did was pray. Finally, she died.
Her parents were prosecuted and convicted, but they were only given unsupervised probation. In 43 out of 50 American states, faith healing that harms your children is not a civil or criminal problem. Thousands of kids have died through Christian Science and the Followers of Christ in Oregon and Idaho. There are graveyards filled with dead kids who were given faith healing.
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Since i am not free as you say i have to find out now if i can continue this conversation,
hrmjustin
May 2015
#49
There is a whole section of the O.T. that is a fairly accurate history of
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#74
There's also a problem with being rigid and insisting everything follow the same pattern,
trotsky
Jun 2015
#117
Which is doubly hilarious because the is-ought problem is central to criticism of Objectivism.
Act_of_Reparation
Jun 2015
#179
Child abuse by the religious takes many forms...but unfortunately it happens all the time and
haikugal
May 2015
#35
When light is shone at dark corners of religion, the answer is "I take it on faith"
Yorktown
Jun 2015
#67
What I note is the petty way in which some try to settle discussions with mod reports
Yorktown
Jun 2015
#87
That is possible. There are several cases a week of hifes that are questionable.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#97
Skinner is answering ata right now. lets see if he responds to the request for an fsm group.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#135
Do you realize if i let FSM posts in interfaith or the prayer circle there will be hidden
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#141
If i wanted you to get more hides i would not have banned you from those two rooms.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#149
While a noble and contrite act your admission may be, you didn't predict, you proclaimed.
cleanhippie
Jun 2015
#210
Oh come on we don't discuss things here we just relentlessly attack each other while skirting the
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#73
Any set of beliefs and/or ideology that encourages you to suspend or not exercise...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#61
When people elevate religion to "another way of knowing" that is on par with science, yes. n/t
trotsky
Jun 2015
#110
For a man of his intelligence, he's surprisingly trite on this topic
struggle4progress
Jun 2015
#115
By all means read "Cat's Cradle." And definitely read it with both eyes open. - n/t
Jim__
Jun 2015
#216
besides ethics, religion conflicts with science and rational reasoning.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#230