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libodem

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47. Okay, I just actually read the link

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 09:36 PM

May 2015

And this is a good read. I recommend it. It makes a lot of sense.

I still believe in a place for religious observation. I believe it is important to honor human milestones within an adopted community. That is important to me and a reason to congregate. There is something about pomp and circumstance and the ritual. I like all that. I like the inside of a beautiful Catholic Church. I experience the uplift of the stained glass and high ceilings. I like the response I feel to choir music. I like the captivity of an uplifting sermon and the feeling of being part of a collective consciousness for a moment. I get the spiritual high phenomenon. I might go to a UU sometime.

I will never be religious but it it suits anyone else I'm totally tolerant. Well, then there are the poor kids....

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In Age of Science, Is Religion 'Harmful Superstition'? [View all] Warren Stupidity May 2015 OP

In any age. Iggo May 2015 #1

I think there is a case to be made that religion served a useful Warren Stupidity May 2015 #4

It's useful in the present. Iggo May 2015 #13

well I meant useful as a vehicle for human progress Warren Stupidity May 2015 #14

Yeah, I know. Iggo May 2015 #17

I'm not sure how good that case would be Major Nikon Jun 2015 #190

For the most part I agree, but consider all those pathetic Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #191

+1, it was always harmful phantom power Jun 2015 #108

My faith and religion does me no harm. hrmjustin May 2015 #2

obviously. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #3

My faith has helped me through some hard times. hrmjustin May 2015 #5

it was a hard day's night. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #6

Point is it does me no harm. hrmjustin May 2015 #7

And now my life has changed in oh so many ways Warren Stupidity May 2015 #8

I am glad things are looking up. hrmjustin May 2015 #9

One thing I can tell you is we got to be free Warren Stupidity May 2015 #10

I am free. hrmjustin May 2015 #11

And freedom tastes of reality! Warren Stupidity May 2015 #12

Yes it does. hrmjustin May 2015 #15

No, you're not. bvf May 2015 #22

I am free despite your words. hrmjustin May 2015 #23

My concern is quite sincere. n/t. bvf May 2015 #24

i rather think not. hrmjustin May 2015 #25

Think what you like. bvf May 2015 #26

Thank you for your permission hrmjustin May 2015 #27

It's a common English expression. bvf May 2015 #37

So is whatever. hrmjustin May 2015 #39

Yeah. That one was really popular among bvf May 2015 #48

Since i am not free as you say i have to find out now if i can continue this conversation, hrmjustin May 2015 #49

My sympathies. bvf Jun 2015 #63

You don't know what you're missing rug May 2015 #33

Please do tell what he's missing Yorktown Jun 2015 #62

Ask John. rug Jun 2015 #106

Oh! That John? Yorktown Jun 2015 #107

Yes. Isn't this a Beatles lyrics thread? rug Jun 2015 #109

On the same topic Yorktown Jun 2015 #116

Truly a DUzy worthy subthread. longship Jun 2015 #203

How do you know your irrational beliefs phil89 May 2015 #19

What harm could my so called "irrational beliefs" be causing? hrmjustin May 2015 #20

How do you know your opinions are rational? rug May 2015 #34

But we know believing in Moses IS irrational Yorktown Jun 2015 #64

"So many bits of the Bible and Quran are irrational." safeinOhio Jun 2015 #69

The Bible and the Quran could not have survived if they were 100% irrational Yorktown Jun 2015 #71

There is a whole section of the O.T. that is a fairly accurate history of Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #74

Do you think edhopper May 2015 #28

No i think religion has harmed them. hrmjustin May 2015 #29

And some of them embrace that harm anyway, sadly. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #51

You have sympathy for me? hrmjustin May 2015 #52

I do. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #53

Your concern is noted. hrmjustin May 2015 #56

It depends. silverweb May 2015 #16

I think Jefferson was wrong Yorktown Jun 2015 #65

That gate swings both ways. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #75

There is not a yes/no religion gate Yorktown Jun 2015 #78

As is radical atheism. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #89

There cannot be a {radical} atheism Yorktown Jun 2015 #92

Beyond consistent is safeinOhio Jun 2015 #98

There's also a problem with being rigid and insisting everything follow the same pattern, trotsky Jun 2015 #117

That makes sense. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #118

ah "radical atheism" is "speaking up". Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #120

her atheism is a non sequitur here Lordquinton Jun 2015 #122

Exactly! LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #174

Which is doubly hilarious because the is-ought problem is central to criticism of Objectivism. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #179

I think I covered that. silverweb Jun 2015 #113

No , duh? Yorktown Jun 2015 #114

He'd agree that violence is not an option. silverweb Jun 2015 #128

Even if the religion itself preaches violence? Yorktown Jun 2015 #168

I seem to not be making myself clear. silverweb Jun 2015 #170

You were clear, but not addressing the underlying problem. Yorktown Jun 2015 #171

Watched a Rachael Maddow libodem May 2015 #18

Taoism is a religion safeinOhio May 2015 #21

Yep libodem May 2015 #41

The Tao is the Tao, and in that, it is not the true Tao Yorktown Jun 2015 #66

Oh hell yes: beam me up scottie May 2015 #30

Child abuse by the religious takes many forms...but unfortunately it happens all the time and haikugal May 2015 #35

And we're not supposed to mock or criticize their sacred beliefs. beam me up scottie May 2015 #36

I need science and my religion. 840high May 2015 #31

You could have saved time by just saying Jerry Coyne is promoting a new book. rug May 2015 #32

looks like you really touched a nerve with this thread Lordquinton May 2015 #38

Some folks cant pass a chance to hawk a book. rug May 2015 #40

Some folks cant pass a chance to hack a loogie. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #72

Speak for yourself. rug Jun 2015 #131

take your own advice Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #143

My post had nothing to do with bodily functions. rug Jun 2015 #145

hawking a book is not a bodily function? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #148

No. rug Jun 2015 #151

Stay classy rug. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #154

Keep hawking those loogies, warren. rug Jun 2015 #156

how sad. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #158

Tsk. rug Jun 2015 #160

Ikr? beam me up scottie May 2015 #42

desperation shows strongly Lordquinton May 2015 #44

Trying to shut down the conversation. beam me up scottie May 2015 #45

That must have stung. rug May 2015 #46

Do tell. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #55

i try to avoid posting when I'm upset Lordquinton May 2015 #50

It can be. beam me up scottie May 2015 #54

at least some content Lordquinton May 2015 #58

I like song references. beam me up scottie May 2015 #59

Sure we can. weird post. hrmjustin May 2015 #43

When light is shone at dark corners of religion, the answer is "I take it on faith" Yorktown Jun 2015 #67

"Faith blocks photons." bvf Jun 2015 #68

lol. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #77

Interesting Yorktown Jun 2015 #79

Agreed. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #80

lol. Yorktown Jun 2015 #81

Have a good week and good luck on your attempt to get your own room. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #82

I am not the standardbearer anymore. Yorktown Jun 2015 #83

Did you lose your faith? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #84

No, but I am a pragmatic individual. Yorktown Jun 2015 #85

I would not have voted to hide that post. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #86

What I note is the petty way in which some try to settle discussions with mod reports Yorktown Jun 2015 #87

We don't know the motives of those who voted to hide. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #88

All I'm doubting is the motivations of the 'reporters' Yorktown Jun 2015 #90

Well may e you should use the ignore function. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #91

Certainly not. That would be stooping to the level of that reporter. Yorktown Jun 2015 #93

Then you need to be more cautious what you say. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #94

What if it was the report system that got abused? Yorktown Jun 2015 #95

That is possible. There are several cases a week of hifes that are questionable. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #97

Fully expect me to be on a posting vacation soon then Yorktown Jun 2015 #101

Try your best to not take any bait. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #103

You know the scorpion story? One liners are in my nature. Yorktown Jun 2015 #104

ok. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #105

And. caution or not, the hide of my general FSM thread was a mockery Yorktown Jun 2015 #96

I would not have voted to hide that. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #99

Again, the point is not about you, it's about that 'kind' reporter.. Yorktown Jun 2015 #100

ok. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #102

Ahoy matey, I would like you to please note: LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #140

Thank you for the correction but since skinner did not answer your hrmjustin Jun 2015 #142

Patience Boyo LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #146

Good luck. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #155

Thank ye kindly LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #165

Your piratese is fluent Yorktown Jun 2015 #169

I be hopin' you like pasta primavera LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #186

Yes i just saw. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #188

you know, we all supported your attempts to get interfaith going Lordquinton Jun 2015 #123

I was not a part of the Interfaith push. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #124

that's the point Lordquinton Jun 2015 #126

You concern is noted. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #127

your lack of concern is noted Lordquinton Jun 2015 #129

What do you think of what skinner said? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #130

irrelevant Lordquinton Jun 2015 #132

I figured you would say that. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #133

as i figured you'd grab the club and not the olive branch Lordquinton Jun 2015 #134

Skinner is answering ata right now. lets see if he responds to the request for an fsm group. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #135

No response from skinner. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #136

your just chomping at to bit to do some grave dancing Lordquinton Jun 2015 #137

Grave dancing? Who died? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #138

the whole concept of inclusion in any DU interfaith concept for one Lordquinton Jun 2015 #139

Do you realize if i let FSM posts in interfaith or the prayer circle there will be hidden hrmjustin Jun 2015 #141

so from your perspective that would be a good thing. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #144

If i wanted you to get more hides i would not have banned you from those two rooms. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #149

whatever helps you sleep at night Lordquinton Jun 2015 #147

i sleep fine and there is not going to be a group. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #153

Tsk, tsk.... There IS going to be a group. PassingFair Jun 2015 #199

Crusade? what crusade? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #200

Alright....how about smug certainty and opposition? PassingFair Jun 2015 #201

I will say i was wrong when i predicted skinner would say no. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #202

While a noble and contrite act your admission may be, you didn't predict, you proclaimed. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #210

Call Amnesty International right now! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #211

You've made it clear that your admission was merely lipservice. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #212

Remind me to go to confession. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #213

Would it mean as much as your post upthread? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #214

Lol. i am not sorry for anything. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #215

That you're not sorry is apparent and no surprise. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #217

Nor should i be sorry. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #219

No, not at all. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #220

Yes he is. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #221

For sure! cleanhippie Jun 2015 #222

Enjoy. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #223

Already am. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #224

Enjoy the rest of your day. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #225

Is that a directive? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #226

It has been a pleasure as always. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #227

I'm sure it has. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #228

why? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #150

People get offended by it. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #152

so intolerant people in places of tolerance Lordquinton Jun 2015 #157

Say what you will but i see through this game. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #159

do you now? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #163

Nothing. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #164

Ooo, you have such power, eh? mr blur Jun 2015 #166

I don't know what your problem is with me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #167

Could it also be that he hasn't decided yet? Rob H. Jun 2015 #161

Not likely. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #162

Whoops. I hope you're not a psychic in your spare time Heddi Jun 2015 #187

i won't play the lottery. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #189

Or god. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #192

Never wanted that job. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #193

That's what most say. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #194

No doubt. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #195

For sure. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #196

Okay, I just actually read the link libodem May 2015 #47

Oh come on we don't discuss things here we just relentlessly attack each other while skirting the Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #73

. libodem Jun 2015 #76

Not all religions AnnieBW May 2015 #57

which ones would those be? nt Lordquinton Jun 2015 #60

Depends on which preachers you ask d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #121

I'd start with any that follow Abraham Lordquinton Jun 2015 #125

Kinda sad because when God said be fruitful and multiply d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #176

I would rather have cake LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #177

And Porn d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #178

Come on! Porn cake is awesome! longship Jun 2015 #204

A friend of mine made a red velvet penis cake d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #231

He also told him to kill his son Lordquinton Jun 2015 #180

Pretty good since he accepted him and walked with him d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #181

I think they left some details out of it Lordquinton Jun 2015 #183

Most holy books do that. d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #185

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone... NeoGreen Jun 2015 #172

I'm a Wiccan. AnnieBW Jun 2015 #182

Any set of beliefs and/or ideology that encourages you to suspend or not exercise... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #61

+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #70

Well put. n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #111

When people elevate religion to "another way of knowing" that is on par with science, yes. n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #110

Instrumentally? Sometimes. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #112

For a man of his intelligence, he's surprisingly trite on this topic struggle4progress Jun 2015 #115

If only people were less superstitious Jim__ Jun 2015 #119

A very good read, actually. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #173

Better yet, read "Cat's Cradle". longship Jun 2015 #205

I'd be delighted to sponsor a Bokononist Group. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #207

Preach it, my friend, preach it. longship Jun 2015 #208

Count my in Lordquinton Jun 2015 #209

By all means read "Cat's Cradle." And definitely read it with both eyes open. - n/t Jim__ Jun 2015 #216

In ANY age, it's been demonstrated to be harmful. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #175

When millions engage in something unhelpful, that can be seen as harmful Freelancer Jun 2015 #184

Oh, and please stop trying to steamroll the rest of us with your rock. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #197

After Hitchens's 'Portable Atheist', I present you with 'Portable Religion' Yorktown Jun 2015 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2015 #218

Hint: it still is a problem with Christianity. longship Jun 2015 #206

No need to harmonize HassleCat Jun 2015 #229

besides ethics, religion conflicts with science and rational reasoning. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #230