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safeinOhio

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75. That gate swings both ways.

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:47 AM

Jun 2015

Ayn Rand justifies her free market greed with her atheist anti-altruism. To justify her ideology she said "Religion is the first enemy of the ability to think and faith is the worst curse of mankind. It is the greatest disease of mankind" (Rand, 1999). Now the world, and even the religious have adopted her philosophy of radical free markets that she herself justifies with her atheism. I would think these ideas are doing more to destroy the world and bring about fascism in our time than my my neighbor that says there are 20 gods.
She denies that altruism has been an adaptive force that has been a positive one for mankind.

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In Age of Science, Is Religion 'Harmful Superstition'? [View all] Warren Stupidity May 2015 OP

In any age. Iggo May 2015 #1

I think there is a case to be made that religion served a useful Warren Stupidity May 2015 #4

It's useful in the present. Iggo May 2015 #13

well I meant useful as a vehicle for human progress Warren Stupidity May 2015 #14

Yeah, I know. Iggo May 2015 #17

I'm not sure how good that case would be Major Nikon Jun 2015 #190

For the most part I agree, but consider all those pathetic Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #191

+1, it was always harmful phantom power Jun 2015 #108

My faith and religion does me no harm. hrmjustin May 2015 #2

obviously. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #3

My faith has helped me through some hard times. hrmjustin May 2015 #5

it was a hard day's night. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #6

Point is it does me no harm. hrmjustin May 2015 #7

And now my life has changed in oh so many ways Warren Stupidity May 2015 #8

I am glad things are looking up. hrmjustin May 2015 #9

One thing I can tell you is we got to be free Warren Stupidity May 2015 #10

I am free. hrmjustin May 2015 #11

And freedom tastes of reality! Warren Stupidity May 2015 #12

Yes it does. hrmjustin May 2015 #15

No, you're not. bvf May 2015 #22

I am free despite your words. hrmjustin May 2015 #23

My concern is quite sincere. n/t. bvf May 2015 #24

i rather think not. hrmjustin May 2015 #25

Think what you like. bvf May 2015 #26

Thank you for your permission hrmjustin May 2015 #27

It's a common English expression. bvf May 2015 #37

So is whatever. hrmjustin May 2015 #39

Yeah. That one was really popular among bvf May 2015 #48

Since i am not free as you say i have to find out now if i can continue this conversation, hrmjustin May 2015 #49

My sympathies. bvf Jun 2015 #63

You don't know what you're missing rug May 2015 #33

Please do tell what he's missing Yorktown Jun 2015 #62

Ask John. rug Jun 2015 #106

Oh! That John? Yorktown Jun 2015 #107

Yes. Isn't this a Beatles lyrics thread? rug Jun 2015 #109

On the same topic Yorktown Jun 2015 #116

Truly a DUzy worthy subthread. longship Jun 2015 #203

How do you know your irrational beliefs phil89 May 2015 #19

What harm could my so called "irrational beliefs" be causing? hrmjustin May 2015 #20

How do you know your opinions are rational? rug May 2015 #34

But we know believing in Moses IS irrational Yorktown Jun 2015 #64

"So many bits of the Bible and Quran are irrational." safeinOhio Jun 2015 #69

The Bible and the Quran could not have survived if they were 100% irrational Yorktown Jun 2015 #71

There is a whole section of the O.T. that is a fairly accurate history of Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #74

Do you think edhopper May 2015 #28

No i think religion has harmed them. hrmjustin May 2015 #29

And some of them embrace that harm anyway, sadly. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #51

You have sympathy for me? hrmjustin May 2015 #52

I do. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #53

Your concern is noted. hrmjustin May 2015 #56

It depends. silverweb May 2015 #16

I think Jefferson was wrong Yorktown Jun 2015 #65

That gate swings both ways. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #75

There is not a yes/no religion gate Yorktown Jun 2015 #78

As is radical atheism. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #89

There cannot be a {radical} atheism Yorktown Jun 2015 #92

Beyond consistent is safeinOhio Jun 2015 #98

There's also a problem with being rigid and insisting everything follow the same pattern, trotsky Jun 2015 #117

That makes sense. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #118

ah "radical atheism" is "speaking up". Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #120

her atheism is a non sequitur here Lordquinton Jun 2015 #122

Exactly! LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #174

Which is doubly hilarious because the is-ought problem is central to criticism of Objectivism. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #179

I think I covered that. silverweb Jun 2015 #113

No , duh? Yorktown Jun 2015 #114

He'd agree that violence is not an option. silverweb Jun 2015 #128

Even if the religion itself preaches violence? Yorktown Jun 2015 #168

I seem to not be making myself clear. silverweb Jun 2015 #170

You were clear, but not addressing the underlying problem. Yorktown Jun 2015 #171

Watched a Rachael Maddow libodem May 2015 #18

Taoism is a religion safeinOhio May 2015 #21

Yep libodem May 2015 #41

The Tao is the Tao, and in that, it is not the true Tao Yorktown Jun 2015 #66

Oh hell yes: beam me up scottie May 2015 #30

Child abuse by the religious takes many forms...but unfortunately it happens all the time and haikugal May 2015 #35

And we're not supposed to mock or criticize their sacred beliefs. beam me up scottie May 2015 #36

I need science and my religion. 840high May 2015 #31

You could have saved time by just saying Jerry Coyne is promoting a new book. rug May 2015 #32

looks like you really touched a nerve with this thread Lordquinton May 2015 #38

Some folks cant pass a chance to hawk a book. rug May 2015 #40

Some folks cant pass a chance to hack a loogie. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #72

Speak for yourself. rug Jun 2015 #131

take your own advice Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #143

My post had nothing to do with bodily functions. rug Jun 2015 #145

hawking a book is not a bodily function? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #148

No. rug Jun 2015 #151

Stay classy rug. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #154

Keep hawking those loogies, warren. rug Jun 2015 #156

how sad. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #158

Tsk. rug Jun 2015 #160

Ikr? beam me up scottie May 2015 #42

desperation shows strongly Lordquinton May 2015 #44

Trying to shut down the conversation. beam me up scottie May 2015 #45

That must have stung. rug May 2015 #46

Do tell. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #55

i try to avoid posting when I'm upset Lordquinton May 2015 #50

It can be. beam me up scottie May 2015 #54

at least some content Lordquinton May 2015 #58

I like song references. beam me up scottie May 2015 #59

Sure we can. weird post. hrmjustin May 2015 #43

When light is shone at dark corners of religion, the answer is "I take it on faith" Yorktown Jun 2015 #67

"Faith blocks photons." bvf Jun 2015 #68

lol. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #77

Interesting Yorktown Jun 2015 #79

Agreed. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #80

lol. Yorktown Jun 2015 #81

Have a good week and good luck on your attempt to get your own room. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #82

I am not the standardbearer anymore. Yorktown Jun 2015 #83

Did you lose your faith? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #84

No, but I am a pragmatic individual. Yorktown Jun 2015 #85

I would not have voted to hide that post. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #86

What I note is the petty way in which some try to settle discussions with mod reports Yorktown Jun 2015 #87

We don't know the motives of those who voted to hide. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #88

All I'm doubting is the motivations of the 'reporters' Yorktown Jun 2015 #90

Well may e you should use the ignore function. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #91

Certainly not. That would be stooping to the level of that reporter. Yorktown Jun 2015 #93

Then you need to be more cautious what you say. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #94

What if it was the report system that got abused? Yorktown Jun 2015 #95

That is possible. There are several cases a week of hifes that are questionable. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #97

Fully expect me to be on a posting vacation soon then Yorktown Jun 2015 #101

Try your best to not take any bait. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #103

You know the scorpion story? One liners are in my nature. Yorktown Jun 2015 #104

ok. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #105

And. caution or not, the hide of my general FSM thread was a mockery Yorktown Jun 2015 #96

I would not have voted to hide that. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #99

Again, the point is not about you, it's about that 'kind' reporter.. Yorktown Jun 2015 #100

ok. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #102

Ahoy matey, I would like you to please note: LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #140

Thank you for the correction but since skinner did not answer your hrmjustin Jun 2015 #142

Patience Boyo LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #146

Good luck. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #155

Thank ye kindly LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #165

Your piratese is fluent Yorktown Jun 2015 #169

I be hopin' you like pasta primavera LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #186

Yes i just saw. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #188

you know, we all supported your attempts to get interfaith going Lordquinton Jun 2015 #123

I was not a part of the Interfaith push. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #124

that's the point Lordquinton Jun 2015 #126

You concern is noted. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #127

your lack of concern is noted Lordquinton Jun 2015 #129

What do you think of what skinner said? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #130

irrelevant Lordquinton Jun 2015 #132

I figured you would say that. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #133

as i figured you'd grab the club and not the olive branch Lordquinton Jun 2015 #134

Skinner is answering ata right now. lets see if he responds to the request for an fsm group. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #135

No response from skinner. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #136

your just chomping at to bit to do some grave dancing Lordquinton Jun 2015 #137

Grave dancing? Who died? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #138

the whole concept of inclusion in any DU interfaith concept for one Lordquinton Jun 2015 #139

Do you realize if i let FSM posts in interfaith or the prayer circle there will be hidden hrmjustin Jun 2015 #141

so from your perspective that would be a good thing. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #144

If i wanted you to get more hides i would not have banned you from those two rooms. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #149

whatever helps you sleep at night Lordquinton Jun 2015 #147

i sleep fine and there is not going to be a group. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #153

Tsk, tsk.... There IS going to be a group. PassingFair Jun 2015 #199

Crusade? what crusade? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #200

Alright....how about smug certainty and opposition? PassingFair Jun 2015 #201

I will say i was wrong when i predicted skinner would say no. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #202

While a noble and contrite act your admission may be, you didn't predict, you proclaimed. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #210

Call Amnesty International right now! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #211

You've made it clear that your admission was merely lipservice. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #212

Remind me to go to confession. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #213

Would it mean as much as your post upthread? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #214

Lol. i am not sorry for anything. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #215

That you're not sorry is apparent and no surprise. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #217

Nor should i be sorry. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #219

No, not at all. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #220

Yes he is. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #221

For sure! cleanhippie Jun 2015 #222

Enjoy. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #223

Already am. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #224

Enjoy the rest of your day. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #225

Is that a directive? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #226

It has been a pleasure as always. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #227

I'm sure it has. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #228

why? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #150

People get offended by it. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #152

so intolerant people in places of tolerance Lordquinton Jun 2015 #157

Say what you will but i see through this game. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #159

do you now? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #163

Nothing. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #164

Ooo, you have such power, eh? mr blur Jun 2015 #166

I don't know what your problem is with me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #167

Could it also be that he hasn't decided yet? Rob H. Jun 2015 #161

Not likely. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #162

Whoops. I hope you're not a psychic in your spare time Heddi Jun 2015 #187

i won't play the lottery. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #189

Or god. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #192

Never wanted that job. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #193

That's what most say. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #194

No doubt. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #195

For sure. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #196

Okay, I just actually read the link libodem May 2015 #47

Oh come on we don't discuss things here we just relentlessly attack each other while skirting the Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #73

. libodem Jun 2015 #76

Not all religions AnnieBW May 2015 #57

which ones would those be? nt Lordquinton Jun 2015 #60

Depends on which preachers you ask d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #121

I'd start with any that follow Abraham Lordquinton Jun 2015 #125

Kinda sad because when God said be fruitful and multiply d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #176

I would rather have cake LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #177

And Porn d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #178

Come on! Porn cake is awesome! longship Jun 2015 #204

A friend of mine made a red velvet penis cake d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #231

He also told him to kill his son Lordquinton Jun 2015 #180

Pretty good since he accepted him and walked with him d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #181

I think they left some details out of it Lordquinton Jun 2015 #183

Most holy books do that. d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #185

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone... NeoGreen Jun 2015 #172

I'm a Wiccan. AnnieBW Jun 2015 #182

Any set of beliefs and/or ideology that encourages you to suspend or not exercise... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #61

+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #70

Well put. n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #111

When people elevate religion to "another way of knowing" that is on par with science, yes. n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #110

Instrumentally? Sometimes. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #112

For a man of his intelligence, he's surprisingly trite on this topic struggle4progress Jun 2015 #115

If only people were less superstitious Jim__ Jun 2015 #119

A very good read, actually. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #173

Better yet, read "Cat's Cradle". longship Jun 2015 #205

I'd be delighted to sponsor a Bokononist Group. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #207

Preach it, my friend, preach it. longship Jun 2015 #208

Count my in Lordquinton Jun 2015 #209

By all means read "Cat's Cradle." And definitely read it with both eyes open. - n/t Jim__ Jun 2015 #216

In ANY age, it's been demonstrated to be harmful. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #175

When millions engage in something unhelpful, that can be seen as harmful Freelancer Jun 2015 #184

Oh, and please stop trying to steamroll the rest of us with your rock. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #197

After Hitchens's 'Portable Atheist', I present you with 'Portable Religion' Yorktown Jun 2015 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2015 #218

Hint: it still is a problem with Christianity. longship Jun 2015 #206

No need to harmonize HassleCat Jun 2015 #229

besides ethics, religion conflicts with science and rational reasoning. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #230