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edhopper

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211. But as we established

Reply to cbayer (Reply #209)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:56 PM

Jun 2015

I like what this place is.

You have your own agenda, I don't ascribe better or worse to either way.

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Do you believe in demons and angels? [View all] xfundy Jun 2015 OP

No. bvf Jun 2015 #1

I don't believe in either. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #2

No, never had any contact with either. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #3

I have been called an angel several times Skittles Jun 2015 #4

. Adsos Letter Jun 2015 #151

for example, when I gave a homeless man a small bottle of Crown Royal with bow on Christmas Day Skittles Jun 2015 #152

That was angelic of you. And you probably got a lot of approval from the angels because of it. n/t Cleita Jun 2015 #185

Not necessarily, however Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #5

I will not discount that there is more going on than I or others can understand. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #210

I've seen demons! Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #6

--- then you 've never met my boss. Hoppy Jun 2015 #7

Hey, I worked for that guy as well! xfundy Jun 2015 #13

No, just people that act like them. cbayer Jun 2015 #8

How does one act like non-existence? It Is A Mystery AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #16

I was not being literal. cbayer Jun 2015 #22

Give it time. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #23

Lol, I know what you mean. cbayer Jun 2015 #26

It's rather an American thing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #9

The UK seems ahead of us in many ways. xfundy Jun 2015 #14

And there is little they enjoy more than being told so. cbayer Jun 2015 #15

I won't use the term believe edhopper Jun 2015 #10

I believe in angels but i have no firm belief on demons. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #11

What reference source indicates one, but not the other ? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #17

I don't know what references you are talking about. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #18

The source of the concept. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #19

I don't really give it much thought. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #20

None required. Looking only for origin. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #21

Nothing? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #24

I am saying i don't give angels and demons much thought. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #25

But you think one is real, and neutral on the other. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #27

And the angel of the Lord phrase appears in the bible. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #28

Anything about demons? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #29

Can't remember. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #30

Would it help you if I linked you some? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #34

I know the ones from the Gospel. look i just don't think about it. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #35

I don't understand why you don't seem interested in this subject. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #36

I really don't care about demons. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #37

if the source material you accept for the existence of other things is right, I would think AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #38

You thought wrong. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #39

Out of curiousity, how much of the bible HAVE you read? Like, total percentage, cover to cover. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #40

The whole of the NT hrmjustin Jun 2015 #41

Isn't the OT more or less the foundation upon which the NT is built? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #43

I am notbtoo concerned with the OT. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #44

What about the 33 separate references to demons in the NT? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #45

I am not concerned about it either. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #46

That is... AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #47

Ok. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #48

What I'm hearing throughout this thread from you is... gcomeau Jun 2015 #123

That is not what i said. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #124

It's what you said repeatedly actually. gcomeau Jun 2015 #126

Actually if you really did read this you would know I was asked about Demons and angels. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #129

That's the *first* thing you were asked about. gcomeau Jun 2015 #132

And your problem is what? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #133

This. gcomeau Jun 2015 #134

And my answer is i did not say that. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #135

Yes, and then I cut and paste direct quotes of you saying that. gcomeau Jun 2015 #136

Where did i say that i believe in a God that hold my faith in his hands. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #137

FATE. Not Faith. FATE. gcomeau Jun 2015 #149

I don't care anymore. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #150

Seems to be a theme with you. -eom gcomeau Jun 2015 #153

Say whatever you like about me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #154

You were the one saying that thing about you. gcomeau Jun 2015 #156

So you phil89 Jun 2015 #51

His word? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #52

Jesus sent demons into a bunch of pigs. xfundy Jun 2015 #49

Yes i remember. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #50

As he said, he just doesn't think about it. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #101

Hard to argue with its effectiveness. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #105

I think that you, justin, are much more likely to see the good in people cbayer Jun 2015 #32

Thank you. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #33

much more likely to see the good in people... and then BAN THEM AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #53

No, he doesn't ban people who he sees the good in, he bans disruptors. cbayer Jun 2015 #55

"Safe havens are not designed to be launching pads for personal attacks and mockery of other DU mem" AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #56

Huh? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #58

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #60

So you have nothing. That is what i thought. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #62

or do you just think I have nothing? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #68

Ok lets start again. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #70

That if you were a fair or impartial host, you'd have banned yourself already. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #73

And why would i have banned myself? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #74

Posting meta for one. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #76

Whwt meta did i post? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #78

yes, ask me to link to self-deleted posts, very clever. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #80

I self deleted a post I thought might be hidden. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #82

And the meta? Kentauros wasn't confused about rug's comment. You both laughing it up. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #86

I banned you for mocking rug. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #90

You sure seemed to think so. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #95

It was rather clear to me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #97

So was your meta and allowance of other meta posts when Heddi was banned. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #98

You mean my op? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #100

No. Incidentally, this thread has now brought some of you and rug yucking it up in prayer circle, to AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #103

Call Amnesty International right now! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #109

Hey guys, this is a no meta zone! Also, this dude in another group sucks. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #110

Classy? Look at your signature line and then talk to me about classy. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #113

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #114

When people come into the room to start in they will be banned. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #115

Unless they're your friends, or attacking people you don't like. QED. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #116

Why would a person who dislikes religion wantbto post in the prayer circle? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #117

Ah, while you're telling Starboard Tack he's banned too, you could ask him since he maintains that AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #118

Why are you looking to get others banned from the prayer circle? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #119

I'm looking for you to be an honest, consistent and impartial host. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #120

The host of a safe haven is not impartial. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #121

I was not aware of the election thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #127

provoke? Who did i provoke? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #130

you BANNED my religion from the prayer circle snooper2 Jun 2015 #168

And when did you convert? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #170

I was touched one night a few years back... snooper2 Jun 2015 #184

Yet i never heard you mention it here on du. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #186

oh by the way, I did notice you locked that op to stop from having to ban Starboard Tack, another AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #104

Oh, please. People in glass houses and all that. cbayer Jun 2015 #63

Who lives in a glass house? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #66

You can always just address me if you have something to say about me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #57

But you didn't say it, so it wouldn't have made sense to respond to your post. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #59

I have no idea what you are talking about. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #61

Sorry, I'm not your monkey. You know damn well what I'm referring to. I already linked one thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #64

So basically you can't back up your claim. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #65

I already linked you one thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #67

Just looked through your posts and you have provided no link. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #69

Oh, you are right, I posted the verbatim text of one of your posts in that thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #71

Now try linking to it. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #72

You know full well what thread you banned Heddi in in the last 4 days. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #75

ok what about it? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #77

If you were consistent, you'd have banned Rug too. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #79

I self deleted a post saying she was banned. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #81

Hold on a second, your safe haven is for both, believers and non-believers. Shall I quote your many AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #84

Yes but disruption is not. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #89

I didn't make a disruptive post. Your reaction to it was certainly disruptive. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #92

He did not agree and neither do I. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #94

Which brings us full circle to the quality of a fair and impartial host. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #96

Non of the believers who post in there show no concern. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #99

I can't parse that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #102

. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #108

Well, you know it wasn't me then. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #111

The only angels and demons I believe in are the metaphorical kind LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #12

I have seen no evidence of demons or angels, but I love reading Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #31

Nope nil desperandum Jun 2015 #42

Not at all. old guy Jun 2015 #54

For the discussion to be fruitful, could we define the terms? Yorktown Jun 2015 #83

Don't look at me. xfundy Jun 2015 #88

OK. So knowledge on angels and devils comes from SM comic books? Yorktown Jun 2015 #93

If there was ever a demon (and of course there isnt) it would be heroin or tobacco. randys1 Jun 2015 #85

Very common belief HassleCat Jun 2015 #87

Angels & demons are often depicted in movies. xfundy Jun 2015 #91

Of course not. PeteSelman Jun 2015 #106

Of course not. Iggo Jun 2015 #107

Nope. Childish bullshit. stopbush Jun 2015 #112

I believe in spirits honeylady Jun 2015 #122

If a rational explanation edhopper Jun 2015 #125

Los Angeles Angels and New Jersey Devils kwassa Jun 2015 #128

Oh I do, but they aren't the mythological ones with wings and horns. Cleita Jun 2015 #131

This just edhopper Jun 2015 #138

Oh no, the good or evil that people do are all on them. Cleita Jun 2015 #139

Bingo. xfundy Jun 2015 #140

The devil didn't make him do it. He did it all by himself, but that devil took a liking Cleita Jun 2015 #141

there is less evidence for the things you speak of edhopper Jun 2015 #142

No. My beliefs are mine and I hope you respect that. Cleita Jun 2015 #145

understood edhopper Jun 2015 #147

I want the debate because people have been taught a lot of BS Cleita Jun 2015 #148

What evidence do you have that angels edhopper Jun 2015 #157

Evidence, like scientific evidence? None yet. Cleita Jun 2015 #160

So there are no actions that can be accounted for edhopper Jun 2015 #171

This is the religion forum isn't it? Cleita Jun 2015 #173

It is a place to discuss religion edhopper Jun 2015 #175

NO BELIEF WILL GO UNCHALLENGED! cbayer Jun 2015 #180

ONE of the purposes edhopper Jun 2015 #190

Those are memes that you love to push, but there is really no evidence to support them. trotsky Jun 2015 #202

But I like challenge and I welcome it, but I resent being told my Cleita Jun 2015 #181

I told you I find your beliefs invalid and challenge you to edhopper Jun 2015 #191

You just don't get it. This isn't science where empirical evidence is offered Cleita Jun 2015 #194

For the purposes of this discussion edhopper Jun 2015 #196

Lol, it should be retitled Religion cage match - cbayer Jun 2015 #176

Not untrue edhopper Jun 2015 #178

If it were up to you, that is exactly what it would be. cbayer Jun 2015 #183

Some see it as unfortunate edhopper Jun 2015 #188

What type of the discussion? cbayer Jun 2015 #201

the interfaith group is for that edhopper Jun 2015 #206

You are technically correct but you have the power to make a place better or worse. cbayer Jun 2015 #209

But as we established edhopper Jun 2015 #211

You appear to confuse discuss and attack Yorktown Jun 2015 #256

There would be no 'tedious battle' if theists had evidence for their claims Yorktown Jun 2015 #254

Please be aware that edhopper represents only his own POV which may be shared by cbayer Jun 2015 #182

absolutely edhopper Jun 2015 #189

No, you described a part of what goes on here that you love and promote. cbayer Jun 2015 #203

I think you are splitting hairs edhopper Jun 2015 #205

It distresses me. cbayer Jun 2015 #208

I did nothing but challenge some irrational ideas edhopper Jun 2015 #212

But cbayer, you routinely jump on newbies who come in here with good faith questions... trotsky Jun 2015 #216

"I love a good debate, but I hate bullying." Really? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #218

It's always been that way. cbayer Jun 2015 #219

Show me where I bullied edhopper Jun 2015 #220

I hate bullying. Whether Cleita felt bullied by you is up to her. cbayer Jun 2015 #222

She continued to respond edhopper Jun 2015 #224

Why do you hope that it continues to go on? cbayer Jun 2015 #226

Yes edhopper Jun 2015 #233

Interfaith was a group started by atheists in order to make a point. cbayer Jun 2015 #237

So why isn't it edhopper Jun 2015 #239

I don't think you know what I would like this group to be. cbayer Jun 2015 #242

I am basing it on what you have said. edhopper Jun 2015 #243

I would like it to be a place where we discuss the intersection of politics, culture and religion. cbayer Jun 2015 #249

I think there are other forums that do that edhopper Jun 2015 #250

You wish a positive appreciation of all religions which is impossible Yorktown Jun 2015 #257

Sorry, but that's baloney. Interfaith was started by the religionists here skepticscott Jun 2015 #266

I wondered what was going on. xfundy Jun 2015 #267

Thank you for setting the record straight, scott. trotsky Jun 2015 #271

The main host of Interfaith says you're wrong skepticscott Jun 2015 #288

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #221

To paraphrase edhopper: I guess this passes for intelligent argument. cbayer Jun 2015 #223

What I find fascinating about these types of exchanges..... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #231

So judgmental, er I mean insightful. Is that why you got your badge? cbayer Jun 2015 #234

In the conversation between Cleita and me edhopper Jun 2015 #236

I have no idea what you are getting at. cbayer Jun 2015 #238

It seemed like edhopper Jun 2015 #241

I don't think there is a club that ganged up on Cleita. cbayer Jun 2015 #246

Okay edhopper Jun 2015 #252

Don't kid yourself, madam. It isn't a blessing in any way, shape or form. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #245

I am quite certain this will earn you another badge. cbayer Jun 2015 #248

"this is about as sophisticated as the conversation gets with you" truebrit71 Jun 2015 #240

So it's okay for cbayer to insult people and call them names. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #261

U jelly? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #227

Another day another broken irony meter. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #258

What makes you qualified to dismiss what others believe as "BS"? trotsky Jun 2015 #158

I don't dismiss anything, but I do know the brainwashing when I see it. Cleita Jun 2015 #162

What makes you qualified to dismiss others' beliefs as "brainwashing"? trotsky Jun 2015 #163

Oh, you do believe in the Eastee Bunny. So sorry you are offended. Cleita Jun 2015 #165

That the evidence for your spirits is exactly the same edhopper Jun 2015 #172

Okay, but may I direct you to the science forum. Eom Cleita Jun 2015 #174

I am in the right forum to say that. edhopper Jun 2015 #177

So what's your religion that is so correct that it excludes any other? Cleita Jun 2015 #179

I have no religion edhopper Jun 2015 #192

Exactly, but you do have a belief in atheism because no one has ever been Cleita Jun 2015 #197

Do you have something that shows that angels and demons even exists edhopper Jun 2015 #198

No, I agree there are no supernatural agents. They are very much a part of Cleita Jun 2015 #199

Give on example of something not being explained edhopper Jun 2015 #200

Whatever. This post is getting too long and too hard to load. Cleita Jun 2015 #204

Okay edhopper Jun 2015 #207

There is no such thing as a "belief in Atheism" A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #229

But neutrinos can and have been proven and detected Yorktown Jun 2015 #259

Atheism is a rejection of a claim phil89 Jun 2015 #276

We can and should discuss respectfully, respecting each other. Yorktown Jun 2015 #255

Nahhh. I think Cheney just did it because xfundy Jun 2015 #144

You aren't wrong. Cleita Jun 2015 #146

When I think about that, it tells me just that the universe is a neutral thing. trotsky Jun 2015 #159

If stuff just happened, it would follow a logical order for good or bad but it doesn't. Cleita Jun 2015 #161

Not true at all. If stuff happens, it just happens. Doesn't have to follow any order. trotsky Jun 2015 #164

See this where your perceptions have been formed by previous myth tellers. Cleita Jun 2015 #166

LOL, OK. trotsky Jun 2015 #167

LOL at you too. Congratulations for being able to be so smug because you obviously Cleita Jun 2015 #169

Based on answers to this thread xfundy Jun 2015 #143

hmmmmm, many republicans today are demons still_one Jun 2015 #155

Do you believe in atoms? Sub-atomic particles? DeadEyeDyck Jun 2015 #187

Please, edhopper Jun 2015 #193

Air? Wind? Were you there? xfundy Jun 2015 #247

As physical, self-aware entities with wings or horns or what-have-you? Htom Sirveaux Jun 2015 #195

Which angels? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #213

The ones that dance on the head of a pin. xfundy Jun 2015 #214

"I promise I'm not trying to make fun." cbayer Jun 2015 #215

Oh, please. xfundy Jun 2015 #225

I do not believe that the OP was sincere. cbayer Jun 2015 #228

Believe whatever you like, Scold. xfundy Jun 2015 #232

She also bullies people by trying to shut down conversations. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #264

"I'll scold all I want when it's warranted" and "I hate bullying" Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #268

Angels no, rexcat Jun 2015 #217

Nope Faux pas Jun 2015 #230

Yes. xfundy Jun 2015 #235

Epicurus edhopper Jun 2015 #244

I do believe in good and evil. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #272

I'm a recovered catholic, Faux pas Jun 2015 #273

I try at all times to be in a peaceful, loving and joyful state of mind. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #274

Thanks AlbertCat Faux pas Jun 2015 #275

Atheist rock Jun 2015 #251

Agnostic. xfundy Jun 2015 #253

Agnostic Atheist! LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #269

I don't know why people think only a few extremists believe in demons. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #260

Scary. xfundy Jun 2015 #262

Terrifying. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #263

Thanks. xfundy Jun 2015 #265

And here I thought my generation was getting rid of these type of superstitions LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #270

My s/o's son doesn't believe in god but he does do demons. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #277

That's depressing...seriously. haikugal Jun 2015 #278

Probably mostly from religious leaders. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #279

Yeah..just like television was going to be a teaching tool. haikugal Jun 2015 #280

Well our very own cbayer said this about fairies in another hate on Dawkins thread she started: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #281

Douglas Adams for sure.... haikugal Jun 2015 #282

And not just any beaver cheese... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #283

Is the moon actually made of cheese? Yorktown Jun 2015 #284

A moon made of NBC is as real as the fairies in your garden. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #285

I wish I had some fairies in the garden xfundy Jun 2015 #286

Nice. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #287