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cbayer

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234. So judgmental, er I mean insightful. Is that why you got your badge?

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:38 PM

Jun 2015

I don't have an audience and am not trying to convince anyone of anything, other than the person that I am having a conversation with.

I am sure that Cleita can handle herself and so can I. Some here are part of a club. Neither Cleita nor I have that advantage, so once in a while I will stand up for someone I feel is being pushed around.

That ok with you?

Now, did you have anything to say about the substance of my arguments or did you just want to bless me with your analysis of my personality?

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Do you believe in demons and angels? [View all] xfundy Jun 2015 OP

No. bvf Jun 2015 #1

I don't believe in either. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #2

No, never had any contact with either. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #3

I have been called an angel several times Skittles Jun 2015 #4

. Adsos Letter Jun 2015 #151

for example, when I gave a homeless man a small bottle of Crown Royal with bow on Christmas Day Skittles Jun 2015 #152

That was angelic of you. And you probably got a lot of approval from the angels because of it. n/t Cleita Jun 2015 #185

Not necessarily, however Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #5

I will not discount that there is more going on than I or others can understand. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #210

I've seen demons! Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #6

--- then you 've never met my boss. Hoppy Jun 2015 #7

Hey, I worked for that guy as well! xfundy Jun 2015 #13

No, just people that act like them. cbayer Jun 2015 #8

How does one act like non-existence? It Is A Mystery AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #16

I was not being literal. cbayer Jun 2015 #22

Give it time. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #23

Lol, I know what you mean. cbayer Jun 2015 #26

It's rather an American thing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #9

The UK seems ahead of us in many ways. xfundy Jun 2015 #14

And there is little they enjoy more than being told so. cbayer Jun 2015 #15

I won't use the term believe edhopper Jun 2015 #10

I believe in angels but i have no firm belief on demons. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #11

What reference source indicates one, but not the other ? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #17

I don't know what references you are talking about. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #18

The source of the concept. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #19

I don't really give it much thought. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #20

None required. Looking only for origin. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #21

Nothing? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #24

I am saying i don't give angels and demons much thought. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #25

But you think one is real, and neutral on the other. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #27

And the angel of the Lord phrase appears in the bible. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #28

Anything about demons? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #29

Can't remember. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #30

Would it help you if I linked you some? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #34

I know the ones from the Gospel. look i just don't think about it. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #35

I don't understand why you don't seem interested in this subject. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #36

I really don't care about demons. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #37

if the source material you accept for the existence of other things is right, I would think AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #38

You thought wrong. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #39

Out of curiousity, how much of the bible HAVE you read? Like, total percentage, cover to cover. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #40

The whole of the NT hrmjustin Jun 2015 #41

Isn't the OT more or less the foundation upon which the NT is built? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #43

I am notbtoo concerned with the OT. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #44

What about the 33 separate references to demons in the NT? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #45

I am not concerned about it either. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #46

That is... AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #47

Ok. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #48

What I'm hearing throughout this thread from you is... gcomeau Jun 2015 #123

That is not what i said. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #124

It's what you said repeatedly actually. gcomeau Jun 2015 #126

Actually if you really did read this you would know I was asked about Demons and angels. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #129

That's the *first* thing you were asked about. gcomeau Jun 2015 #132

And your problem is what? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #133

This. gcomeau Jun 2015 #134

And my answer is i did not say that. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #135

Yes, and then I cut and paste direct quotes of you saying that. gcomeau Jun 2015 #136

Where did i say that i believe in a God that hold my faith in his hands. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #137

FATE. Not Faith. FATE. gcomeau Jun 2015 #149

I don't care anymore. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #150

Seems to be a theme with you. -eom gcomeau Jun 2015 #153

Say whatever you like about me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #154

You were the one saying that thing about you. gcomeau Jun 2015 #156

So you phil89 Jun 2015 #51

His word? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #52

Jesus sent demons into a bunch of pigs. xfundy Jun 2015 #49

Yes i remember. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #50

As he said, he just doesn't think about it. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #101

Hard to argue with its effectiveness. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #105

I think that you, justin, are much more likely to see the good in people cbayer Jun 2015 #32

Thank you. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #33

much more likely to see the good in people... and then BAN THEM AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #53

No, he doesn't ban people who he sees the good in, he bans disruptors. cbayer Jun 2015 #55

"Safe havens are not designed to be launching pads for personal attacks and mockery of other DU mem" AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #56

Huh? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #58

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #60

So you have nothing. That is what i thought. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #62

or do you just think I have nothing? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #68

Ok lets start again. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #70

That if you were a fair or impartial host, you'd have banned yourself already. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #73

And why would i have banned myself? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #74

Posting meta for one. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #76

Whwt meta did i post? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #78

yes, ask me to link to self-deleted posts, very clever. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #80

I self deleted a post I thought might be hidden. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #82

And the meta? Kentauros wasn't confused about rug's comment. You both laughing it up. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #86

I banned you for mocking rug. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #90

You sure seemed to think so. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #95

It was rather clear to me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #97

So was your meta and allowance of other meta posts when Heddi was banned. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #98

You mean my op? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #100

No. Incidentally, this thread has now brought some of you and rug yucking it up in prayer circle, to AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #103

Call Amnesty International right now! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #109

Hey guys, this is a no meta zone! Also, this dude in another group sucks. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #110

Classy? Look at your signature line and then talk to me about classy. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #113

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #114

When people come into the room to start in they will be banned. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #115

Unless they're your friends, or attacking people you don't like. QED. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #116

Why would a person who dislikes religion wantbto post in the prayer circle? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #117

Ah, while you're telling Starboard Tack he's banned too, you could ask him since he maintains that AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #118

Why are you looking to get others banned from the prayer circle? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #119

I'm looking for you to be an honest, consistent and impartial host. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #120

The host of a safe haven is not impartial. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #121

I was not aware of the election thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #127

provoke? Who did i provoke? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #130

you BANNED my religion from the prayer circle snooper2 Jun 2015 #168

And when did you convert? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #170

I was touched one night a few years back... snooper2 Jun 2015 #184

Yet i never heard you mention it here on du. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #186

oh by the way, I did notice you locked that op to stop from having to ban Starboard Tack, another AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #104

Oh, please. People in glass houses and all that. cbayer Jun 2015 #63

Who lives in a glass house? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #66

You can always just address me if you have something to say about me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #57

But you didn't say it, so it wouldn't have made sense to respond to your post. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #59

I have no idea what you are talking about. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #61

Sorry, I'm not your monkey. You know damn well what I'm referring to. I already linked one thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #64

So basically you can't back up your claim. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #65

I already linked you one thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #67

Just looked through your posts and you have provided no link. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #69

Oh, you are right, I posted the verbatim text of one of your posts in that thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #71

Now try linking to it. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #72

You know full well what thread you banned Heddi in in the last 4 days. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #75

ok what about it? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #77

If you were consistent, you'd have banned Rug too. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #79

I self deleted a post saying she was banned. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #81

Hold on a second, your safe haven is for both, believers and non-believers. Shall I quote your many AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #84

Yes but disruption is not. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #89

I didn't make a disruptive post. Your reaction to it was certainly disruptive. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #92

He did not agree and neither do I. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #94

Which brings us full circle to the quality of a fair and impartial host. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #96

Non of the believers who post in there show no concern. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #99

I can't parse that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #102

. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #108

Well, you know it wasn't me then. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #111

The only angels and demons I believe in are the metaphorical kind LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #12

I have seen no evidence of demons or angels, but I love reading Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #31

Nope nil desperandum Jun 2015 #42

Not at all. old guy Jun 2015 #54

For the discussion to be fruitful, could we define the terms? Yorktown Jun 2015 #83

Don't look at me. xfundy Jun 2015 #88

OK. So knowledge on angels and devils comes from SM comic books? Yorktown Jun 2015 #93

If there was ever a demon (and of course there isnt) it would be heroin or tobacco. randys1 Jun 2015 #85

Very common belief HassleCat Jun 2015 #87

Angels & demons are often depicted in movies. xfundy Jun 2015 #91

Of course not. PeteSelman Jun 2015 #106

Of course not. Iggo Jun 2015 #107

Nope. Childish bullshit. stopbush Jun 2015 #112

I believe in spirits honeylady Jun 2015 #122

If a rational explanation edhopper Jun 2015 #125

Los Angeles Angels and New Jersey Devils kwassa Jun 2015 #128

Oh I do, but they aren't the mythological ones with wings and horns. Cleita Jun 2015 #131

This just edhopper Jun 2015 #138

Oh no, the good or evil that people do are all on them. Cleita Jun 2015 #139

Bingo. xfundy Jun 2015 #140

The devil didn't make him do it. He did it all by himself, but that devil took a liking Cleita Jun 2015 #141

there is less evidence for the things you speak of edhopper Jun 2015 #142

No. My beliefs are mine and I hope you respect that. Cleita Jun 2015 #145

understood edhopper Jun 2015 #147

I want the debate because people have been taught a lot of BS Cleita Jun 2015 #148

What evidence do you have that angels edhopper Jun 2015 #157

Evidence, like scientific evidence? None yet. Cleita Jun 2015 #160

So there are no actions that can be accounted for edhopper Jun 2015 #171

This is the religion forum isn't it? Cleita Jun 2015 #173

It is a place to discuss religion edhopper Jun 2015 #175

NO BELIEF WILL GO UNCHALLENGED! cbayer Jun 2015 #180

ONE of the purposes edhopper Jun 2015 #190

Those are memes that you love to push, but there is really no evidence to support them. trotsky Jun 2015 #202

But I like challenge and I welcome it, but I resent being told my Cleita Jun 2015 #181

I told you I find your beliefs invalid and challenge you to edhopper Jun 2015 #191

You just don't get it. This isn't science where empirical evidence is offered Cleita Jun 2015 #194

For the purposes of this discussion edhopper Jun 2015 #196

Lol, it should be retitled Religion cage match - cbayer Jun 2015 #176

Not untrue edhopper Jun 2015 #178

If it were up to you, that is exactly what it would be. cbayer Jun 2015 #183

Some see it as unfortunate edhopper Jun 2015 #188

What type of the discussion? cbayer Jun 2015 #201

the interfaith group is for that edhopper Jun 2015 #206

You are technically correct but you have the power to make a place better or worse. cbayer Jun 2015 #209

But as we established edhopper Jun 2015 #211

You appear to confuse discuss and attack Yorktown Jun 2015 #256

There would be no 'tedious battle' if theists had evidence for their claims Yorktown Jun 2015 #254

Please be aware that edhopper represents only his own POV which may be shared by cbayer Jun 2015 #182

absolutely edhopper Jun 2015 #189

No, you described a part of what goes on here that you love and promote. cbayer Jun 2015 #203

I think you are splitting hairs edhopper Jun 2015 #205

It distresses me. cbayer Jun 2015 #208

I did nothing but challenge some irrational ideas edhopper Jun 2015 #212

But cbayer, you routinely jump on newbies who come in here with good faith questions... trotsky Jun 2015 #216

"I love a good debate, but I hate bullying." Really? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #218

It's always been that way. cbayer Jun 2015 #219

Show me where I bullied edhopper Jun 2015 #220

I hate bullying. Whether Cleita felt bullied by you is up to her. cbayer Jun 2015 #222

She continued to respond edhopper Jun 2015 #224

Why do you hope that it continues to go on? cbayer Jun 2015 #226

Yes edhopper Jun 2015 #233

Interfaith was a group started by atheists in order to make a point. cbayer Jun 2015 #237

So why isn't it edhopper Jun 2015 #239

I don't think you know what I would like this group to be. cbayer Jun 2015 #242

I am basing it on what you have said. edhopper Jun 2015 #243

I would like it to be a place where we discuss the intersection of politics, culture and religion. cbayer Jun 2015 #249

I think there are other forums that do that edhopper Jun 2015 #250

You wish a positive appreciation of all religions which is impossible Yorktown Jun 2015 #257

Sorry, but that's baloney. Interfaith was started by the religionists here skepticscott Jun 2015 #266

I wondered what was going on. xfundy Jun 2015 #267

Thank you for setting the record straight, scott. trotsky Jun 2015 #271

The main host of Interfaith says you're wrong skepticscott Jun 2015 #288

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #221

To paraphrase edhopper: I guess this passes for intelligent argument. cbayer Jun 2015 #223

What I find fascinating about these types of exchanges..... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #231

So judgmental, er I mean insightful. Is that why you got your badge? cbayer Jun 2015 #234

In the conversation between Cleita and me edhopper Jun 2015 #236

I have no idea what you are getting at. cbayer Jun 2015 #238

It seemed like edhopper Jun 2015 #241

I don't think there is a club that ganged up on Cleita. cbayer Jun 2015 #246

Okay edhopper Jun 2015 #252

Don't kid yourself, madam. It isn't a blessing in any way, shape or form. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #245

I am quite certain this will earn you another badge. cbayer Jun 2015 #248

"this is about as sophisticated as the conversation gets with you" truebrit71 Jun 2015 #240

So it's okay for cbayer to insult people and call them names. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #261

U jelly? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #227

Another day another broken irony meter. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #258

What makes you qualified to dismiss what others believe as "BS"? trotsky Jun 2015 #158

I don't dismiss anything, but I do know the brainwashing when I see it. Cleita Jun 2015 #162

What makes you qualified to dismiss others' beliefs as "brainwashing"? trotsky Jun 2015 #163

Oh, you do believe in the Eastee Bunny. So sorry you are offended. Cleita Jun 2015 #165

That the evidence for your spirits is exactly the same edhopper Jun 2015 #172

Okay, but may I direct you to the science forum. Eom Cleita Jun 2015 #174

I am in the right forum to say that. edhopper Jun 2015 #177

So what's your religion that is so correct that it excludes any other? Cleita Jun 2015 #179

I have no religion edhopper Jun 2015 #192

Exactly, but you do have a belief in atheism because no one has ever been Cleita Jun 2015 #197

Do you have something that shows that angels and demons even exists edhopper Jun 2015 #198

No, I agree there are no supernatural agents. They are very much a part of Cleita Jun 2015 #199

Give on example of something not being explained edhopper Jun 2015 #200

Whatever. This post is getting too long and too hard to load. Cleita Jun 2015 #204

Okay edhopper Jun 2015 #207

There is no such thing as a "belief in Atheism" A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #229

But neutrinos can and have been proven and detected Yorktown Jun 2015 #259

Atheism is a rejection of a claim phil89 Jun 2015 #276

We can and should discuss respectfully, respecting each other. Yorktown Jun 2015 #255

Nahhh. I think Cheney just did it because xfundy Jun 2015 #144

You aren't wrong. Cleita Jun 2015 #146

When I think about that, it tells me just that the universe is a neutral thing. trotsky Jun 2015 #159

If stuff just happened, it would follow a logical order for good or bad but it doesn't. Cleita Jun 2015 #161

Not true at all. If stuff happens, it just happens. Doesn't have to follow any order. trotsky Jun 2015 #164

See this where your perceptions have been formed by previous myth tellers. Cleita Jun 2015 #166

LOL, OK. trotsky Jun 2015 #167

LOL at you too. Congratulations for being able to be so smug because you obviously Cleita Jun 2015 #169

Based on answers to this thread xfundy Jun 2015 #143

hmmmmm, many republicans today are demons still_one Jun 2015 #155

Do you believe in atoms? Sub-atomic particles? DeadEyeDyck Jun 2015 #187

Please, edhopper Jun 2015 #193

Air? Wind? Were you there? xfundy Jun 2015 #247

As physical, self-aware entities with wings or horns or what-have-you? Htom Sirveaux Jun 2015 #195

Which angels? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #213

The ones that dance on the head of a pin. xfundy Jun 2015 #214

"I promise I'm not trying to make fun." cbayer Jun 2015 #215

Oh, please. xfundy Jun 2015 #225

I do not believe that the OP was sincere. cbayer Jun 2015 #228

Believe whatever you like, Scold. xfundy Jun 2015 #232

She also bullies people by trying to shut down conversations. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #264

"I'll scold all I want when it's warranted" and "I hate bullying" Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #268

Angels no, rexcat Jun 2015 #217

Nope Faux pas Jun 2015 #230

Yes. xfundy Jun 2015 #235

Epicurus edhopper Jun 2015 #244

I do believe in good and evil. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #272

I'm a recovered catholic, Faux pas Jun 2015 #273

I try at all times to be in a peaceful, loving and joyful state of mind. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #274

Thanks AlbertCat Faux pas Jun 2015 #275

Atheist rock Jun 2015 #251

Agnostic. xfundy Jun 2015 #253

Agnostic Atheist! LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #269

I don't know why people think only a few extremists believe in demons. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #260

Scary. xfundy Jun 2015 #262

Terrifying. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #263

Thanks. xfundy Jun 2015 #265

And here I thought my generation was getting rid of these type of superstitions LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #270

My s/o's son doesn't believe in god but he does do demons. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #277

That's depressing...seriously. haikugal Jun 2015 #278

Probably mostly from religious leaders. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #279

Yeah..just like television was going to be a teaching tool. haikugal Jun 2015 #280

Well our very own cbayer said this about fairies in another hate on Dawkins thread she started: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #281

Douglas Adams for sure.... haikugal Jun 2015 #282

And not just any beaver cheese... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #283

Is the moon actually made of cheese? Yorktown Jun 2015 #284

A moon made of NBC is as real as the fairies in your garden. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #285

I wish I had some fairies in the garden xfundy Jun 2015 #286

Nice. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #287