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In reply to the discussion: Is Richard Dawkins destroying his reputation? [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)151. You want bigoted homophobic quotes? The pope's or yours?
I'm feeling charitable today, I'll be your huckleberry:
Pope Francis on gay rights: His 5 worst quotes
The new pontiff is being hailed as a fresh choice, but there's nothing new about his opposition to gay rights
Pope Francis has been praised for his humility (he picks up his own luggage!), his acceptance of other faiths (he wont insult the Prophet Mohammed in public addresses!) and his precedent shattering name choice (more humility!).
But the pontiff who is being hailed as a new direction for the Catholic Church is the same-old brand of theological conservative who opposes the ordination of women, abortion and the fundamental rights of gays and lesbians.
In fact, then-Cardinal Jose Bergoglio was a major force against the 2010 move to legalize same-sex marriage in his native Argentina. Though he ultimately failed, Bergoglio used the full weight of the church to crush the measure.
Here, a collection of his very worst quotes on the issue.
1. A Senate vote on gay marriage is a destructive pretension against the plan of God
From a letter to the Carmelite Sisters of Buenos Aires on the perils of marriage equality:
Lets not be naïve, were not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.
2. Gay marriage will destroy the family
More from the same letter to the four monasteries of Argentina:
The Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children.
3. Gay parenting is a rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts
Again:
At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts.
4. The political struggle against marriage equality is war
And finally:
The bill will be discussed in the Senate after July 13. Look at San Jose, Maria, Child and ask them [to] fervently defend Argentinas family at this time. [Be reminded] what God told his people in a time of great anguish: This war is not yours but Gods. May they succor, defend and join God in this war.
5. Gay adoption is discrimination against children
According to the National Catholic Reporter, Francis called gay adoption a form of discrimination against children. A comment that resulted in a public rebuke from Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who said that Francis remarks suggested medieval times and the Inquisition.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/14/pope_francis_on_gay_rights_his_5_worst_quotes/
The new pontiff is being hailed as a fresh choice, but there's nothing new about his opposition to gay rights
Pope Francis has been praised for his humility (he picks up his own luggage!), his acceptance of other faiths (he wont insult the Prophet Mohammed in public addresses!) and his precedent shattering name choice (more humility!).
But the pontiff who is being hailed as a new direction for the Catholic Church is the same-old brand of theological conservative who opposes the ordination of women, abortion and the fundamental rights of gays and lesbians.
In fact, then-Cardinal Jose Bergoglio was a major force against the 2010 move to legalize same-sex marriage in his native Argentina. Though he ultimately failed, Bergoglio used the full weight of the church to crush the measure.
Here, a collection of his very worst quotes on the issue.
1. A Senate vote on gay marriage is a destructive pretension against the plan of God
From a letter to the Carmelite Sisters of Buenos Aires on the perils of marriage equality:
Lets not be naïve, were not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.
2. Gay marriage will destroy the family
More from the same letter to the four monasteries of Argentina:
The Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children.
3. Gay parenting is a rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts
Again:
At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts.
4. The political struggle against marriage equality is war
And finally:
The bill will be discussed in the Senate after July 13. Look at San Jose, Maria, Child and ask them [to] fervently defend Argentinas family at this time. [Be reminded] what God told his people in a time of great anguish: This war is not yours but Gods. May they succor, defend and join God in this war.
5. Gay adoption is discrimination against children
According to the National Catholic Reporter, Francis called gay adoption a form of discrimination against children. A comment that resulted in a public rebuke from Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who said that Francis remarks suggested medieval times and the Inquisition.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/14/pope_francis_on_gay_rights_his_5_worst_quotes/
Cardinal Bergoglio Hits Out at Same-Sex Marriage
A Jesuit cardinal has become the latest Church leader to speak out forcefully against a governments push towards same-sex marriage, and has called on his nations contemplatives to pray fervently to prevent such laws.
According to an article in tomorrows LOsservatore Romano, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires and Primate of Argentina, has said that if a proposed bill giving same-sex couples the opportunity to marry and adopt children should be approved, it will seriously damage the family.
He made the statement in a letter addressed to each of the four monasteries in Argentina, asking the contemplatives to pray fervently that legislators be strengthened to do the right thing.
He wrote: In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts.
Cardinal Bergoglio continued: Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy Gods plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a move of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.
The cardinal also noted that today the country, in this particular situation, needs the special assistance of the Holy Spirit to bring the light of truth on to the darkness of error, it need this advocate to defend us from being enchanted by many fallacies that are tried at all costs to justify this bill and to confuse and deceive the people of good will.
...
Cardinal Bergoglio said the bill will be discussed in the Senate after July 13. We look to Saint Joseph, Mary and the Child Jesus and ask that they fervently defend the family in Argentina at this particular time, he said. We remember what God said to his people in a moment of great anguish: This war is not yours, but Gods: defend us, then, in this war of God.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal_bergoglio_hits_out_at_same-sex_marriage
A Jesuit cardinal has become the latest Church leader to speak out forcefully against a governments push towards same-sex marriage, and has called on his nations contemplatives to pray fervently to prevent such laws.
According to an article in tomorrows LOsservatore Romano, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires and Primate of Argentina, has said that if a proposed bill giving same-sex couples the opportunity to marry and adopt children should be approved, it will seriously damage the family.
He made the statement in a letter addressed to each of the four monasteries in Argentina, asking the contemplatives to pray fervently that legislators be strengthened to do the right thing.
He wrote: In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts.
Cardinal Bergoglio continued: Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy Gods plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a move of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.
The cardinal also noted that today the country, in this particular situation, needs the special assistance of the Holy Spirit to bring the light of truth on to the darkness of error, it need this advocate to defend us from being enchanted by many fallacies that are tried at all costs to justify this bill and to confuse and deceive the people of good will.
...
Cardinal Bergoglio said the bill will be discussed in the Senate after July 13. We look to Saint Joseph, Mary and the Child Jesus and ask that they fervently defend the family in Argentina at this particular time, he said. We remember what God said to his people in a moment of great anguish: This war is not yours, but Gods: defend us, then, in this war of God.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal_bergoglio_hits_out_at_same-sex_marriage
Your disgusting homophobic posts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=123723
Starboard Tack (10,698 posts)
112. And this has what to do with the RCC?
Why would any couple want to marry in a church that doesn't accept them? Makes no sense.
You really look for extreme situations to provide fodder for your hatred of religion. How about if I wanted to marry my bicycle, or my hamster and some church opposed performing the ceremony, would you be there, fighting for my rights?
I'm sorry, but religious rights and gay rights are not the same thing. I support both. Seems like you only support one. I know many gay couples, some who married in church and some at town hall and some couldn't care less about the institution of marriage.
I think your views are self centered. You want the world to adapt to your values, like the vegan who wants everyone to quit eating meat. What a boring world that would be.
112. And this has what to do with the RCC?
Why would any couple want to marry in a church that doesn't accept them? Makes no sense.
You really look for extreme situations to provide fodder for your hatred of religion. How about if I wanted to marry my bicycle, or my hamster and some church opposed performing the ceremony, would you be there, fighting for my rights?
I'm sorry, but religious rights and gay rights are not the same thing. I support both. Seems like you only support one. I know many gay couples, some who married in church and some at town hall and some couldn't care less about the institution of marriage.
I think your views are self centered. You want the world to adapt to your values, like the vegan who wants everyone to quit eating meat. What a boring world that would be.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=124676
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176. Really? And how exactly did I do that?
You seem to confuse marriage and sexuality. The first is about a ceremonial binding of two entities. The second is about sex.
Who are you to tell me I cannot marry my dog, or my brother, or my mother, or my fucking bicycle, if I so wish. You don't get to decide these things. Sorry to disappoint you.
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176. Really? And how exactly did I do that?
You seem to confuse marriage and sexuality. The first is about a ceremonial binding of two entities. The second is about sex.
Who are you to tell me I cannot marry my dog, or my brother, or my mother, or my fucking bicycle, if I so wish. You don't get to decide these things. Sorry to disappoint you.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=124679
Starboard Tack (10,698 posts)
177. No, I am not equating it with anything.
We should all have the right to marry whomever or whatever, provided it is consensual and conducted of sound mind.
Do you have a problem with sisters marrying each other? I don't. How about other family members? Do you draw lines and, if so, why?
My point, as I'm sure you are already aware, was about seeking approval from the RCC or any other church, to get married. That approval comes from within one's own conscience. Official approval comes from the state. Fuck the church and fuck those who want to paint me as an enemy of equal rights. Fuck the bigots and bullies and nasty hate mongering anti-theists. Fuck all fascists.
Happy Easter!
177. No, I am not equating it with anything.
We should all have the right to marry whomever or whatever, provided it is consensual and conducted of sound mind.
Do you have a problem with sisters marrying each other? I don't. How about other family members? Do you draw lines and, if so, why?
My point, as I'm sure you are already aware, was about seeking approval from the RCC or any other church, to get married. That approval comes from within one's own conscience. Official approval comes from the state. Fuck the church and fuck those who want to paint me as an enemy of equal rights. Fuck the bigots and bullies and nasty hate mongering anti-theists. Fuck all fascists.
Happy Easter!
You're welcome.
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Those whose only goal is to attack religion have no interest in reading comprehension
Starboard Tack
Jun 2015
#102
So by that logic, you're going to start posting about the pope and his reputation, right?
trotsky
Jun 2015
#15
The pope is the center of the universe for theophobes and belligerent atheists
Starboard Tack
Jun 2015
#93
It makes you a bigot. Same as if you were opposed to interracial marriage.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#167
How is that deflection? She posted this OP. Or did you miss that reality?
Goblinmonger
Jun 2015
#110
"a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#173
"At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance"
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#174
"and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God."
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#175
"The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution...
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#176
Denying someone their human rights because he believes they're inferior does make him a bigot.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#189
"Being opposed to gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe or bigot"
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#140
Apparently he's ignored all of the previous posts about pope homophobe.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#157
Those links are good to have handy whenever people are singing the pope's praises.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#182
See your last post where you lashed out at atheists for calling out your homophobic comments:
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#191
Did you vote in the GD poll? And defend religious homophobia in the thread?
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#194
As you can see I'm not the only one who thinks homophobic behaviour makes one a homophobe:
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#196
According to the definition at religoustolerance.org both you and the pope are homophobic.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#203
I am not your "fan" and I don't find your defense of religious bigotry the least bit amusing.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#207
Now you're saying that people who are opposed to interracial marriage aren't bigots.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#198
Pope Francis’ new clothes: Why his progressive image is white smoke and mirrors
beam me up scottie
Jun 2015
#159
Plus you know, like lecturing at Oxford, some sort of backwater has been unknown school.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#82
"admiration for Darwin in the way a schoolboy might worship a sporting giant."
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#11
So you understand that this is basically a reverse argument from authority right?
Promethean
Jun 2015
#22
Irrelevant. It's a chance to post something negative about DAWKINS!!!111!!!!
cleanhippie
Jun 2015
#23
Clearly. I mean, everyone else who doesn't see things your way must be stupid, right? n/t
trotsky
Jun 2015
#53
You so misjudge me and I am sure you have your reasons, but this is really about you, not me.
cbayer
Jun 2015
#41
And to think I was so worried about who would step up to post malarkey articles about Atheists
Heddi
Jun 2015
#39
His last peer-reviewed scientific paper was published over three decades ago
struggle4progress
Jun 2015
#40
I still think he has performed an important role and, in the end, will be honored for that.
cbayer
Jun 2015
#43
The atheisms of Marx, Nietzsche, and Freud were influential long before Dawkins appeared;
struggle4progress
Jun 2015
#58