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pangaia

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130. What does it mean "believe in patriotism?"

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:11 PM

Oct 2015

Is that like believing in god?

I will tell you a story-- some years ago I went to my first baseball game in may years ( I LOVE baseball--)... a low minor league game. After the 7th inning I got up to go take a leak. As I was walking out the announcer said, "Everyone please stand and remove your hats while we honor our country with the singing of God Bless America." I was thinking, "Huh?" Everybody stood up (as they were directed) and took their hats off. I kept walking. Some Yahoo yelled at me "UNCOVER. RESPECT YOUR COUNTRY!!" I kept walking. It got worse. I was spit on.

What does a baseball game have to do with a Christian prayer?

I realized if I wanted to keep going to that ball park, which I did, I would be required to stand up and take off my hat for a Christian prayer.. OR,, the same if everyone were saying the Pleeeedge of Alleeegiance....
So every 7th inning I either made a beeline for the concession stand, the bathroom OR.. stood still and took off my fucking hat !!

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ESM student: Teacher berated me for sitting for Pledge of Allegiance [View all] rug Oct 2015 OP

in high school during nam 3 or us in my high school homeroom never stood for it dembotoz Oct 2015 #1

I haven't said it in years. rug Oct 2015 #6

That was back when some of our freedom(s) were intact. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #44

Good for her! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2015 #2

I wish we could grow up..... trusty elf Oct 2015 #3

Ironically, the phrase under God was added in the 1950s to ferret ot Commnist school teachers. rug Oct 2015 #7

I've never understood it either. newfie11 Oct 2015 #23

I object to the 'under god' phrase too. Chemisse Oct 2015 #4

And if they all sat it out, that would be bad because...? n/t eggplant Oct 2015 #28

Because it would make me look bad as a teacher, and thus my job could be on the line. Chemisse Oct 2015 #108

If your comment is serious I could not possibly disagree more. pangaia Oct 2015 #43

How do you think you would feel if you were a teenager Chemisse Oct 2015 #113

Except those that sit. Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #115

I just asked a girl to please stand last week. Chemisse Oct 2015 #125

Oh, no. Not 4:30. Anything but that. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #136

Exactly. pangaia Oct 2015 #129

What does it mean "believe in patriotism?" pangaia Oct 2015 #130

A few years back... pokerfan Nov 2015 #138

As any METS fan will say, THE EVIL EMPIRE... pangaia Nov 2015 #139

So which is it? Mariana Nov 2015 #132

I never stood for it, nor said the 'under god' phrase. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #135

As a teacher, you can't even ask that they stand out of respect. Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #92

I have every right to ask. Chemisse Oct 2015 #105

The line between "ask" and "insist" is pretty grey Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #107

I teach high school. Chemisse Oct 2015 #109

I teach high school, too. Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #114

What do yo think of a teacher who faces away from the students so they don't see he's not saying it? rug Oct 2015 #121

I end up facing away from them Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #122

I don't really care if you say 'under god' or not. Chemisse Oct 2015 #127

Which is why when I was in middle school, we stopped doing it altogether. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #137

Haha! Chemisse Oct 2015 #126

That's very true. It comes up now and then that a student is intimidated by me, Chemisse Oct 2015 #128

Ah ha ! So it's about tenure.. pangaia Oct 2015 #131

you forgot the sarcasm thingy, yes? because you cannot possibly believe that drivel about niyad Oct 2015 #93

I don't think you understand. Chemisse Oct 2015 #106

oh, I understand about worrying about one's job. the "flipping the bird" thing has nothing niyad Nov 2015 #134

yup... handmade34 Oct 2015 #5

And cumpulsory participation is iillegal. rug Oct 2015 #8

No excuses for the teacher,but... 40RatRod Oct 2015 #9

There's the rub. What it often represents. rug Oct 2015 #12

No, no it's not. It's a blind pledge for nothing. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #13

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Lol, try 3 separate SCOTUS rulings that say otherwise. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #19

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Good luck in court. eggplant Oct 2015 #29

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You are part of what is wrong in this country... Human101948 Oct 2015 #65

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What district is that? Human101948 Oct 2015 #79

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Ok, now that's simple bullshit. rug Oct 2015 #32

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Ok. Does BM stand for the usual? rug Oct 2015 #36

I'm in SC, you are clueless. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #37

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Holy shite....a SCOTUS ruling is a SCOTUS ruling. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #51

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Are you sure you're on the right site? brush Oct 2015 #63

Yikes, you are one scarry dude.. :>)))) pangaia Oct 2015 #58

319 U.S. 624 Dale Neiburg Oct 2015 #60

Um, tyrants don't comply with laws... Laffy Kat Oct 2015 #71

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Think of how well they will do on the planatation after 12 years of this. lol jtuck004 Oct 2015 #40

Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift . . . . rug Oct 2015 #100

Thank you for that. Part of the story of where we are... jtuck004 Oct 2015 #112

That's an example of the danger of the military. pangaia Oct 2015 #46

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Well, well.. pangaia Oct 2015 #88

Anyone know where I can get a tea-roll? Orrex Oct 2015 #56

MIRTle the waitress is looking hard for one. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #77

As an aside, what is the most efficient way to drop a hint to MIRT? n/t eggplant Oct 2015 #83

DU mail to one of the members. n/t ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #86

PM a MIRT member Heddi Oct 2015 #87

re: "it's just a pledge" - do pledges mean anything? thesquanderer Oct 2015 #59

Thank you! n/t MustBeTheBooz Oct 2015 #90

I don't find it so beautiful. pangaia Oct 2015 #45

I'm just an old Sarge and 20 year military vet... 40RatRod Oct 2015 #110

read "an indigenous people's history of the united states" and see if you feel like making niyad Oct 2015 #94

Yeah, "Justice for all" ya know Mike__M Oct 2015 #104

under CAT would be MUCH better! niyad Nov 2015 #133

My son is 13, last year he decided he didn't want to stand for it. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #10

Good for you!! DFW Oct 2015 #17

I had to go back in & deal with it again bc she decided to go giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #21

Well, then good for you again. DFW Oct 2015 #25

Lol, there's one of those unfortunate souls right on this thread. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #38

Well, then allow me to lead the applause DFW Oct 2015 #42

triple bravo!!!! pangaia Oct 2015 #48

I like that. brush Oct 2015 #64

Some control freak teacher thinks he overrides the Supreme Court DFW Oct 2015 #11

The group pressure, as a child or an adult, is enormous. Good for her! rug Oct 2015 #14

At least she asked! DFW Oct 2015 #16

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It's a bit more complicated than that Yorktown Oct 2015 #20

Here: rug Oct 2015 #26

Oh, thanks Yorktown Oct 2015 #124

"Leave a void (like no pledge), and any crackpot allegiance will spring up. " pangaia Oct 2015 #50

That's my worry Yorktown Oct 2015 #123

I started this fight in the 5th grade with my youngest. giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #22

I tell my kids the following. Igel Oct 2015 #73

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I have no problem telling them to not talk Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #97

The law is pretty clear though. rug Oct 2015 #24

We have to in Wisconsin Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #98

Do you lead it in yor class? rug Oct 2015 #101

No. At our school it is done over the PA. Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #102

It's ridiculous. They're pledging allegiance to a PA speaker. rug Oct 2015 #103

I didn't realize that it was mandatory- digonswine Oct 2015 #116

I think the law goes back to 2000 or something. Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #117

I'll talk to the choir director- digonswine Oct 2015 #118

We just got a new choir director Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #119

In the 60's lots of my fellow classmates objected to that pledge. procon Oct 2015 #31

They pinched themselves and squealed . . . . rug Oct 2015 #35

I'm a Vietnam Vet and fully support kids who do not stand or FairWinds Oct 2015 #34

Oh, baby! +1! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #47

+1000000000000000000000 pangaia Oct 2015 #57

The Pledge; America's "Loyalty Oath" Grins Oct 2015 #39

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welcome, friend! Skeeter Barnes Oct 2015 #54

It is NOT, as you put it, a "simple pledge." FairWinds Oct 2015 #62

It's quite apparent that you drank all the Kool Aid. brush Oct 2015 #67

Kool Aid? What the heck it THAT supposed to mean? FairWinds Oct 2015 #111

What's with the insults yourself if you don't know what you're talking about? brush Oct 2015 #120

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I did that in the third grade. You would have thought I'd just murdered somebody Skeeter Barnes Oct 2015 #53

The US flag is empty of inherent self-existence. vlyons Oct 2015 #61

"under God" dpatbrown Oct 2015 #66

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"I don't care about the law." Posters here have said as much. DRoseDARs Oct 2015 #68

Why does the school hate the pledge as it was said during WW2? JHB Oct 2015 #69

By middle school TlalocW Oct 2015 #70

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Good for her matt819 Oct 2015 #89

loyalty oaths are prohibited in the constitution. I never stood for it, either. niyad Oct 2015 #91

I got kicked out of a school assembly in 11th grade for not standing for the pledge. deurbano Oct 2015 #95

I wonder how many of these whack jobs would be so enamoured of the pledge if they knew niyad Oct 2015 #96

We stopped saying the pledge when we got into middle school, the Pledge is creepy as all hell... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #99