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janterry

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26. I can't see how they would think St Therese didn't believe in 'the power of prayer'

Fri Oct 6, 2017, 10:34 AM

Oct 2017

I"m not religious anymore, but I sure know a lot about St Thérèse. She was really clear: After my death, I will let fall a shower of roses."

She really believed that that she would be able to respond to prayer - from heaven (those were the shower of roses.

I think in her own life, she accepted her fate (and martyrdom) as a humble sacrifice (she'd been dreaming of that since she was a young child. So, she didn't want that 'burden' lifted from her. Instead, she thought she could do more from heaven and lift the burdens of others.

edited because when I included her proper accents, it just deleted both of the e's in her name.

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After Las Vegas, who says prayer doesnt work? [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

Who says that? trotsky Oct 2017 #1

Or those blind to the meaning of prayer. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2

You're right, it couldn't possibly be religious privilege, because that doesn't exist. trotsky Oct 2017 #3

Perhaps we should talk about the types of priviledge? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #6

Please do. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #8

No, after you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #9

I have nothing to add at present. I agree with trotsky's summation. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #10

That does not surprise me. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11

I'm sorry, you were saying something about religious privilege? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #12

I did not bring up the topic. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #13

He made his position clear. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #17

Agreed, that discussion should take place. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #18

You're talking about the post... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #27

Sure! But since we're in the Religion group, there's only one type that is on topic. trotsky Oct 2017 #23

There are many types of privilege. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #28

So do you, or do you not, acknowledge religious privilege? trotsky Oct 2017 #34

I acknowledge many types of majority privilege. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36

I'll take that answer as a statement that you do not believe religious privilege exists. trotsky Oct 2017 #38

Feel corrected. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39

Please state clearly for the record that you acknowledge religious privilege exists. trotsky Oct 2017 #42

Are you a certified court reporter? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #44

I've had far too much experience with your discussion tactics, I'm afraid. trotsky Oct 2017 #49

A rereading of my answer might clarify it for you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #50

It's your usual kind of response. trotsky Oct 2017 #53

If one poses a complex question, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #54

To refresh your memory, trotsky Oct 2017 #55

I already answered. But, in the interrest of ease of dialogue, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #58

Holy crap, why was that so difficult? trotsky Oct 2017 #60

Why did you find my responses so difficult? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #62

Your responses weren't difficult, you made the PROCESS difficult. trotsky Oct 2017 #63

You look at statistics regarding the proportion of religious believers guillaumeb Oct 2017 #64

LMFAO trotsky Oct 2017 #65

Perhaps you should stop laughing and read your previous post. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #66

Just exploring where your tactics are leading you. trotsky Oct 2017 #67

Trying out a stand up act? More practice is needed. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #68

When did I ever deny or question that the majority of US residents believe in god? trotsky Oct 2017 #69

#63 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #70

Nope, not seeing a denial there. trotsky Oct 2017 #71

I understand. I do. Have a nice day. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Mission accomplished! trotsky Oct 2017 #73

It's something I'm told we *should* talk about. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #74

There are many kinds of privilege. trotsky Oct 2017 #76

Tell the evangelicals that seem to think intercessory prayer is a thing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #14

Prayer can have a different meaning to each person who prays. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #15

Well, I never pray, so mission accomplished. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #16

The Biblical meaning of prayer changed, twisted. Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #25

To whom do you pray? WhiteTara Oct 2017 #56

To redefine prayer as mere forlorn hopes... Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #59

Your move perhaps. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61

"A surge of the heart"; a look toward heaven. Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #75

Again, your interpretation of the actions and thoughts of others. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #78

Vs. their always accurate internal understanding of themselves? Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #80

Your "progression" obviously might appeal to you, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #81

We're at a point where it can be called out Lordquinton Oct 2017 #4

Spot on...every word!!! BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #5

I never say "I will pray for you", unless I know that the person guillaumeb Oct 2017 #7

Whence this compulsion to announce that you intend to pray? Mariana Oct 2017 #19

I believe it is a custom, like wishing someone a nice day. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #29

Not what I said Lordquinton Oct 2017 #20

Nothing wrong about asking, if the person feels that strongly. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #30

What's the issue? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #48

Fascinating how you perfectly demonstrate what religious privilege is all about. trotsky Oct 2017 #24

I think that you are assuming far too much. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #31

Again you illustrate the very thing you deny. trotsky Oct 2017 #35

So what DO you assume upon hearing "Merry Christmas"? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #37

That the person saying it assumes it is an appropriate greeting. trotsky Oct 2017 #40

In some instances, the individual saying "Merry Christmas" Mariana Oct 2017 #41

Are you certain of the intent of everyone who uses either expression? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43

In that instance, you're being rude either way. Mariana Oct 2017 #45

No idea. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #46

How prayer works in the Bible marylandblue Oct 2017 #21

Where is your PROOF that prayer works?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #22

After reading the article, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #32

Thank you for answering Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #47

I can't see how they would think St Therese didn't believe in 'the power of prayer' janterry Oct 2017 #26

Accents cannot geneally be added in the heading line. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33

And people wonder why atheists exist SonofDonald Oct 2017 #51

Some might wonder. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #52

How God answers prayers PJMcK Oct 2017 #57

Let me see -- Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #77

Obviously prayer is an individual action. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #79

The act of shooting up in itself may bring comfort to heroin addicts. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #82

Are all beliefs addictive? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #83

One of these things is not like the others Lordquinton Oct 2017 #84

Are you answering for Voltaire? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #85

Your claim was that if x feels good then x Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #86