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trotsky

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60. Holy crap, why was that so difficult?

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:10 AM

Oct 2017

You could have answered my initial question that way, and spared us all from this nonsense.

So since we're here in the Religion group, let's discuss religious privilege.

One talking point that you are incredibly fond of repeating (despite it being the argumentum ad populum fallacy, laughably enough) is that a majority of people (at least in the US) believe in god. This confers a considerable privilege for a believer, allowing them to:

1) Assume that a random person they interact with also believes in god, and

2) Feel confident that anyone who is not a believer should silently defer to the majority when public prayers and religious ceremonies are conducted.

Do you agree with the numbered items above being some of the signs of religious privilege?

What do you believe are some of the elements of religious privilege that you enjoy?

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After Las Vegas, who says prayer doesnt work? [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

Who says that? trotsky Oct 2017 #1

Or those blind to the meaning of prayer. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2

You're right, it couldn't possibly be religious privilege, because that doesn't exist. trotsky Oct 2017 #3

Perhaps we should talk about the types of priviledge? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #6

Please do. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #8

No, after you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #9

I have nothing to add at present. I agree with trotsky's summation. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #10

That does not surprise me. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11

I'm sorry, you were saying something about religious privilege? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #12

I did not bring up the topic. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #13

He made his position clear. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #17

Agreed, that discussion should take place. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #18

You're talking about the post... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #27

Sure! But since we're in the Religion group, there's only one type that is on topic. trotsky Oct 2017 #23

There are many types of privilege. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #28

So do you, or do you not, acknowledge religious privilege? trotsky Oct 2017 #34

I acknowledge many types of majority privilege. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36

I'll take that answer as a statement that you do not believe religious privilege exists. trotsky Oct 2017 #38

Feel corrected. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39

Please state clearly for the record that you acknowledge religious privilege exists. trotsky Oct 2017 #42

Are you a certified court reporter? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #44

I've had far too much experience with your discussion tactics, I'm afraid. trotsky Oct 2017 #49

A rereading of my answer might clarify it for you. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #50

It's your usual kind of response. trotsky Oct 2017 #53

If one poses a complex question, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #54

To refresh your memory, trotsky Oct 2017 #55

I already answered. But, in the interrest of ease of dialogue, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #58

Holy crap, why was that so difficult? trotsky Oct 2017 #60

Why did you find my responses so difficult? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #62

Your responses weren't difficult, you made the PROCESS difficult. trotsky Oct 2017 #63

You look at statistics regarding the proportion of religious believers guillaumeb Oct 2017 #64

LMFAO trotsky Oct 2017 #65

Perhaps you should stop laughing and read your previous post. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #66

Just exploring where your tactics are leading you. trotsky Oct 2017 #67

Trying out a stand up act? More practice is needed. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #68

When did I ever deny or question that the majority of US residents believe in god? trotsky Oct 2017 #69

#63 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #70

Nope, not seeing a denial there. trotsky Oct 2017 #71

I understand. I do. Have a nice day. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Mission accomplished! trotsky Oct 2017 #73

It's something I'm told we *should* talk about. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #74

There are many kinds of privilege. trotsky Oct 2017 #76

Tell the evangelicals that seem to think intercessory prayer is a thing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #14

Prayer can have a different meaning to each person who prays. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #15

Well, I never pray, so mission accomplished. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #16

The Biblical meaning of prayer changed, twisted. Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #25

To whom do you pray? WhiteTara Oct 2017 #56

To redefine prayer as mere forlorn hopes... Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #59

Your move perhaps. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61

"A surge of the heart"; a look toward heaven. Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #75

Again, your interpretation of the actions and thoughts of others. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #78

Vs. their always accurate internal understanding of themselves? Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #80

Your "progression" obviously might appeal to you, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #81

We're at a point where it can be called out Lordquinton Oct 2017 #4

Spot on...every word!!! BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #5

I never say "I will pray for you", unless I know that the person guillaumeb Oct 2017 #7

Whence this compulsion to announce that you intend to pray? Mariana Oct 2017 #19

I believe it is a custom, like wishing someone a nice day. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #29

Not what I said Lordquinton Oct 2017 #20

Nothing wrong about asking, if the person feels that strongly. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #30

What's the issue? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #48

Fascinating how you perfectly demonstrate what religious privilege is all about. trotsky Oct 2017 #24

I think that you are assuming far too much. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #31

Again you illustrate the very thing you deny. trotsky Oct 2017 #35

So what DO you assume upon hearing "Merry Christmas"? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #37

That the person saying it assumes it is an appropriate greeting. trotsky Oct 2017 #40

In some instances, the individual saying "Merry Christmas" Mariana Oct 2017 #41

Are you certain of the intent of everyone who uses either expression? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43

In that instance, you're being rude either way. Mariana Oct 2017 #45

No idea. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #46

How prayer works in the Bible marylandblue Oct 2017 #21

Where is your PROOF that prayer works?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #22

After reading the article, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #32

Thank you for answering Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #47

I can't see how they would think St Therese didn't believe in 'the power of prayer' janterry Oct 2017 #26

Accents cannot geneally be added in the heading line. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33

And people wonder why atheists exist SonofDonald Oct 2017 #51

Some might wonder. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #52

How God answers prayers PJMcK Oct 2017 #57

Let me see -- Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #77

Obviously prayer is an individual action. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #79

The act of shooting up in itself may bring comfort to heroin addicts. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #82

Are all beliefs addictive? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #83

One of these things is not like the others Lordquinton Oct 2017 #84

Are you answering for Voltaire? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #85

Your claim was that if x feels good then x Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #86