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8. Patty Smith -- "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine."

Wed May 9, 2018, 06:59 AM

May 2018

If God is perfect, why did he make flawed people, capable of sin in the first place? We're supposed to be here to praise God. If God needs or wants praise and prayers and our money, then he also wasn't perfect and complete in the first place.

Or instead of sin, followed by salvation, why didn't he just create a perfect human race and save his son from the suffering?

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Question about "Jesus died for our sins" [View all] DetlefK May 2018 OP

'Hell' is the condition of being eternally distanced from God. sprinkleeninow May 2018 #1

So, the sins are only preemptively forgiven if you believe in him. DetlefK May 2018 #2

It isn't to singularly 'believe' as I have outlined. sprinkleeninow May 2018 #3

How do we know it was voluntary? Major Nikon May 2018 #20

From the stories, it doesn't seem like it was all that voluntary. Mariana May 2018 #25

Bc He was fully man and fully God. sprinkleeninow May 2018 #36

Must have picked that up after the fact Major Nikon May 2018 #43

Noyes' "perfectionist" sect did feel that they could "sin" without penalty, I believe. rogerashton May 2018 #4

Very interesting... Zoonart May 2018 #5

No. It means that Christ showed that a sin and sins can be be redeemed by accepting the grace..... marble falls May 2018 #6

If I remember from Catholic School, we all inherited original sin from Adam and Eve and therefore wasupaloopa May 2018 #7

If I commit one of the sins but don't believe it is a sin, do I still get fried? 3Hotdogs May 2018 #9

Probably not but you might grow hair on yor knuckles or go blind. wasupaloopa May 2018 #11

My dad caught me playing with myself. He told me I would go blind. 3Hotdogs May 2018 #21

And there, in a nutshell, is the reason so many insist on denying evolutionary theory Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #14

When I read Genesis now it is plain that it is mythology but there is a meaning. wasupaloopa May 2018 #24

Patty Smith -- "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." 3Hotdogs May 2018 #8

Making "flawed" people was God's second failure Mariana May 2018 #39

Possibly both second AND third. Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #40

Not to mention he fucked the first volume up so badly it needed a 2.0 Major Nikon May 2018 #44

It's worse than that. Once you include the Utah crowd, it's the Desert Quadrilogy. Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #46

Sin is a "christian" concept... NeoGreen May 2018 #10

i could never get an answer for 'why'... samnsara May 2018 #12

It means early Christians needed to explain how their omnipotent messiah got himself killed. Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #13

It may also be a convenient distraction from his other crimes Major Nikon May 2018 #22

I think Doug Stanhope answered this best. Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #15

Dungeons & Dragons Cartoonist May 2018 #16

I always felt the game model was more "Call of Cthulhu" Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #17

The Elohim NeoGreen May 2018 #18

Jeebus saves... NeoGreen May 2018 #19

That's a huge can of worms Lordquinton May 2018 #23

The way I understand it, I can buy a weapon of war at my local Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #26

They make a big deal out of it working for Constantine. Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #29

It gets even better Major Nikon May 2018 #45

If I recall correctly ExciteBike66 May 2018 #27

Jesus died for your sins. We are all sinners. There is good and bad in all applegrove May 2018 #28

I am not a "sinner"... NeoGreen May 2018 #30

Talk of sin is what happens when you let the engrams build up. Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #32

You know that part of marketing where you invent a need the customer didn't know he had? Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #31

The analogy I've heard is... NeoGreen May 2018 #33

When people think they are all virtuos they project their bad onto applegrove May 2018 #34

That "sin" nonsense predates the magic zombie by a long time. Pope George Ringo II May 2018 #35

Isn't jesus the ultimate... NeoGreen May 2018 #37

Yes. That is why he did it. So people would live in harmony. And accept that there applegrove May 2018 #38

So, scapegoating... NeoGreen May 2018 #41

Jesus wanted people to live in harmony? Mariana May 2018 #42