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Eliot Rosewater

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1. AT least these vile and filthy piles of human excrement are equal opportunity

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:54 PM

Jun 2018

haters.

They dont conveniently pick out their victims then expect everyone else to do business with them and so on.

These FAKE christians not wanting to bake cakes are the real hypocrites.

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Should we respect the sincere religious beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church? [View all] Voltaire2 Jun 2018 OP

AT least these vile and filthy piles of human excrement are equal opportunity Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #1

Well that's a fine point: should I respect the sincerely held religious beliefs Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #2

No, the cake baker is the ultimate bigot and hypocrite. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #3

How does one determine who a "fake" Christian is? trotsky Jun 2018 #10

This is probably where somebody says something about metaphor... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #11

Ah, you've seen this movie before too, eh? n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #12

People can believe what they want. They can't treat others badly. Belief vs action uppityperson Jun 2018 #4

Not the question I asked. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #5

Define "deserving of respect". Using what I assume that term means, no of course it isn't. uppityperson Jun 2018 #6

right. Seems obvious to me. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #7

I respect other's right to have a different belief. No one needs to respect anyone else's uppityperson Jun 2018 #8

"you can't use your beliefs to hurt others" trotsky Jun 2018 #16

The OP asked for opinions. That is my opinion. I'm not going to argue even uppityperson Jun 2018 #22

Plenty of people believe contradictory things. trotsky Jun 2018 #25

No. I could give you lots of examples, through history. But that doesn't make those beliefs valid. notdarkyet Jun 2018 #52

Isn't the notion that we shouldn't treat others badly just another belief? trotsky Jun 2018 #14

do you want me to treat you badly? ollie10 Jun 2018 #17

Nope tulipsandroses Jun 2018 #9

Of course not. Iggo Jun 2018 #13

Seems both obvious and orthogonal. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #15

Is there something wrong with respecting someone's beliefs without agreeing with them? marylandblue Jun 2018 #18

You can certainly respect or agree with whatever beliefs you want Major Nikon Jun 2018 #19

Is there something wrong with not respecting Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #20

Depends on what your goal is. marylandblue Jun 2018 #21

One of my goals is to not elevate the stupid abhorrent Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #23

That sounds like you are just disrespecting whatever marylandblue Jun 2018 #24

Well yes that is true. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #35

Not as real science, but as a belief someone really holds marylandblue Jun 2018 #38

Disrespecting a belief does not require disrespecting Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #47

A lot of people don't separate their beliefs and their self-images so easily marylandblue Jun 2018 #50

It serves the purpose of informing people Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #58

Lot's of people said Trump and his followers were deplorable marylandblue Jun 2018 #59

Not enough. And worse Trump was and is treated Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #60

There is no evidence that if more people called out Trump, his based would have listened marylandblue Jun 2018 #61

Yes you certainly can't argue people out of their beliefs through rational discourse. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #62

Telling people "you have the right to believe nonsense" marylandblue Jun 2018 #63

Actually it might be, but not the point. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #64

That wasn't my point marylandblue Jun 2018 #65

Well you referred to the current research on Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #66

Ok, so your goal is to be honest, and the consequences of being honest are not so important? marylandblue Jun 2018 #67

Striving for honesty is a good thing. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #68

Again, depends what your goals are marylandblue Jun 2018 #69

With Fred dead, is daughter Margie Phelps now their leader? Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #26

What kind of question is this? vlyons Jun 2018 #27

The point being: why do other beliefs get special treatment, then? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #28

No you don't. Use your brain. vlyons Jun 2018 #30

Of course I don't. That's not the point. And I'm talking about people IN HERE. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #31

Gentle speech is a virtue vlyons Jun 2018 #33

Because it has been asserted repeatedly here Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #36

You appear to be walking a fine line between discussion MineralMan Jun 2018 #45

How, exactly, could we respect their--or any other church's--beliefs? cyclonefence Jun 2018 #29

What do you mean by "respect"? thucythucy Jun 2018 #32

I think it is pretty straightforward. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #34

Are you talking to me? thucythucy Jun 2018 #40

No... and that's precisely the OP's point. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #42

I see. thucythucy Jun 2018 #44

And you are conflating the right to believe Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #37

I suppose. thucythucy Jun 2018 #39

Well yes. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #41

Okay well maybe you should link to that post thucythucy Jun 2018 #43

Nope. Not going to do that. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #46

Then I'll go away believing thucythucy Jun 2018 #48

that's fine. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #49

The OP, and some other similar posts are in response to a particular poster marylandblue Jun 2018 #51

Liberal never entered into it. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #54

I know, I am interpreting what I think he meant marylandblue Jun 2018 #56

I tried repeatedly to get any qualification. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #57

With regard to religious beliefs, leanforward Jun 2018 #53

Why? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #55