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67. Ok, so your goal is to be honest, and the consequences of being honest are not so important?

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Should we respect the sincere religious beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church? [View all] Voltaire2 Jun 2018 OP

AT least these vile and filthy piles of human excrement are equal opportunity Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #1

Well that's a fine point: should I respect the sincerely held religious beliefs Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #2

No, the cake baker is the ultimate bigot and hypocrite. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #3

How does one determine who a "fake" Christian is? trotsky Jun 2018 #10

This is probably where somebody says something about metaphor... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #11

Ah, you've seen this movie before too, eh? n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #12

People can believe what they want. They can't treat others badly. Belief vs action uppityperson Jun 2018 #4

Not the question I asked. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #5

Define "deserving of respect". Using what I assume that term means, no of course it isn't. uppityperson Jun 2018 #6

right. Seems obvious to me. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #7

I respect other's right to have a different belief. No one needs to respect anyone else's uppityperson Jun 2018 #8

"you can't use your beliefs to hurt others" trotsky Jun 2018 #16

The OP asked for opinions. That is my opinion. I'm not going to argue even uppityperson Jun 2018 #22

Plenty of people believe contradictory things. trotsky Jun 2018 #25

No. I could give you lots of examples, through history. But that doesn't make those beliefs valid. notdarkyet Jun 2018 #52

Isn't the notion that we shouldn't treat others badly just another belief? trotsky Jun 2018 #14

do you want me to treat you badly? ollie10 Jun 2018 #17

Nope tulipsandroses Jun 2018 #9

Of course not. Iggo Jun 2018 #13

Seems both obvious and orthogonal. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #15

Is there something wrong with respecting someone's beliefs without agreeing with them? marylandblue Jun 2018 #18

You can certainly respect or agree with whatever beliefs you want Major Nikon Jun 2018 #19

Is there something wrong with not respecting Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #20

Depends on what your goal is. marylandblue Jun 2018 #21

One of my goals is to not elevate the stupid abhorrent Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #23

That sounds like you are just disrespecting whatever marylandblue Jun 2018 #24

Well yes that is true. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #35

Not as real science, but as a belief someone really holds marylandblue Jun 2018 #38

Disrespecting a belief does not require disrespecting Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #47

A lot of people don't separate their beliefs and their self-images so easily marylandblue Jun 2018 #50

It serves the purpose of informing people Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #58

Lot's of people said Trump and his followers were deplorable marylandblue Jun 2018 #59

Not enough. And worse Trump was and is treated Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #60

There is no evidence that if more people called out Trump, his based would have listened marylandblue Jun 2018 #61

Yes you certainly can't argue people out of their beliefs through rational discourse. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #62

Telling people "you have the right to believe nonsense" marylandblue Jun 2018 #63

Actually it might be, but not the point. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #64

That wasn't my point marylandblue Jun 2018 #65

Well you referred to the current research on Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #66

Ok, so your goal is to be honest, and the consequences of being honest are not so important? marylandblue Jun 2018 #67

Striving for honesty is a good thing. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #68

Again, depends what your goals are marylandblue Jun 2018 #69

With Fred dead, is daughter Margie Phelps now their leader? Funtatlaguy Jun 2018 #26

What kind of question is this? vlyons Jun 2018 #27

The point being: why do other beliefs get special treatment, then? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #28

No you don't. Use your brain. vlyons Jun 2018 #30

Of course I don't. That's not the point. And I'm talking about people IN HERE. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #31

Gentle speech is a virtue vlyons Jun 2018 #33

Because it has been asserted repeatedly here Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #36

You appear to be walking a fine line between discussion MineralMan Jun 2018 #45

How, exactly, could we respect their--or any other church's--beliefs? cyclonefence Jun 2018 #29

What do you mean by "respect"? thucythucy Jun 2018 #32

I think it is pretty straightforward. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #34

Are you talking to me? thucythucy Jun 2018 #40

No... and that's precisely the OP's point. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #42

I see. thucythucy Jun 2018 #44

And you are conflating the right to believe Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #37

I suppose. thucythucy Jun 2018 #39

Well yes. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #41

Okay well maybe you should link to that post thucythucy Jun 2018 #43

Nope. Not going to do that. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #46

Then I'll go away believing thucythucy Jun 2018 #48

that's fine. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #49

The OP, and some other similar posts are in response to a particular poster marylandblue Jun 2018 #51

Liberal never entered into it. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #54

I know, I am interpreting what I think he meant marylandblue Jun 2018 #56

I tried repeatedly to get any qualification. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #57

With regard to religious beliefs, leanforward Jun 2018 #53

Why? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #55