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14. Is the legitimate use of a weapon to defend yourself, your family or another innocent individual ...
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:14 PM
Nov 2012

from an attack that would result in serious injury or death an example of fear or ignorance?

Self-defense (United States)

In the United States, the defense of self-defense allows a person to use reasonable force in his or her own defense or the defense of others (see the theoretical background for why this is allowed).

While the definitions vary from state to state, the general rule makes an important distinction between the use of non-deadly and deadly force. A person may use non-deadly force to prevent imminent injury, however a person may not use deadly force unless that person is in reasonable fear of serious injury or death. Some states also include a duty to retreat, when deadly force may only be used if the person is unable to safely retreat. A person is generally not obligated to retreat if in one's own home in what has been called the castle exception (from the expression "A man's home is his castle&quot .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_%28United_States%29


Should we change our long legal history to forbid the use of a weapons for self defense in circumstances where it is possibly the only logical alternative to prevent serious injury or death from an attacker who has the ability, capacity and intention to cause this result?

I am in no way denying that weapons are frequently used to cause tragedy by criminals and irresponsible citizens. This is a serious problem and needs to be addressed by our laws and their enforcement.

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I have suspected this for some time. "Fellowship" encompasses whatever you want it to. nt patrice Nov 2012 #1
Jesus was NOT in favor of using weapons. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #2
Nobody ever accused me of being a bible scholar but rrneck Nov 2012 #4
I said using. He never said anything about being armed. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #8
Did he think it would be used for a door stop? rrneck Nov 2012 #13
Jesus was not for using weapons. Read the Holy Gospels! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #17
And I think it's always wrong to kill, every time no matter why. rrneck Nov 2012 #20
I you feel the need to arm I will not challenge that! Be careful my friend! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #23
I dont carry a gun. rrneck Nov 2012 #26
When the revolution comes you will protect me! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #28
I appreciate your confidence but rrneck Nov 2012 #32
Bull!!! You are goin to be with me in the revolution hrmjustin Nov 2012 #33
Will there be cookies? nt rrneck Nov 2012 #40
I would say that to kill an attacker in legitimate self defense is justified. ... spin Nov 2012 #31
To my mind legal and right are two different things. rrneck Nov 2012 #39
Like you I have absolutely no desire to ever have to kill another person ... spin Nov 2012 #41
I used to be a helluva salesman. rrneck Nov 2012 #44
IT'S A SWORD! tblue Nov 2012 #51
You apparently. rrneck Nov 2012 #52
But a careful reading of that passage Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #12
That might be debatable. ... spin Nov 2012 #6
Jesus was said nothing about being armed, but he was not for using them. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #10
I will politely suggest that he was not for the misuse of weapons. ... spin Nov 2012 #21
Ah read the gospels! he did not like violence. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #22
When WC Fields was caught reading the bible, safeinOhio Nov 2012 #29
lol my friend! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #35
I will agree that Jesus was opposed to unnecessary violence. ... spin Nov 2012 #36
God bless you Spin!!!! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #37
May God bless you also. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #42
they pander to fear and ignorance Skittles Nov 2012 #3
Is the legitimate use of a weapon to defend yourself, your family or another innocent individual ... spin Nov 2012 #14
omg Skittles Nov 2012 #18
Thanks. I totally agree. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #27
Just think how many people they could bring through the doors with BDSM classes! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #5
I wonder if there is any cultural phenomena rrneck Nov 2012 #7
I apologize for dropping the dime on you. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #15
No worries dawg! I laughed my ass off. rrneck Nov 2012 #19
You make a damn good point. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #25
Concealed what? Bibles? TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #9
Ya you never know when you might need a gun or a hand grenade at church!! Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #11
A legal firearm in church may make sense as it is a defensive weapon. spin Nov 2012 #30
Well you never know.. Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #49
zombies? Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #58
I find this to be an interesting paraodox. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #16
Some Christians have a negative view of medicine. ... spin Nov 2012 #24
So what is the point then? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #46
The God I believe in can become a handy crutch in times of need. ... spin Nov 2012 #48
If more believers held the same POV as you, the world woul be a much better place. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #53
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #55
But doesn't is say "thou shalt no kill"? Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #50
Unfortunately "Thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation. ... spin Nov 2012 #54
Oh lord won't ya buy me...... left on green only Nov 2012 #34
Guns and religion. A natural match. Iggo Nov 2012 #38
Clinging to guns and religion. Moses2SandyKoufax Nov 2012 #43
Off topic. Iggo Nov 2012 #47
Luke 22:49-51 rug Nov 2012 #45
For postgraduate credit, see the movie "Five Card Stud" and pay special attention to dimbear Nov 2012 #56
And the one in Texas is justifying this using racism. cbayer Nov 2012 #57
just giving people one more reason not to go to church Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #59
Their website is a trip struggle4progress Nov 2012 #60
From the Remnant Sons website: struggle4progress Nov 2012 #61
Oh boy. That is some scary stuff. cbayer Nov 2012 #62
If they aren't raptured, they'll be able to treat The Rapture like a big fun skeet shoot! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #63
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