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trotsky

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127. There is a disconnect here, one that you might never be able to process.

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #126)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:19 AM

Feb 2013

You have admitted you believe in hell. You believe in eternal punishment. You see absolutely nothing wrong with it, and in fact, get very angry and attack others (falsely claiming they believe there should be absolutely no consequences for bad behavior) who have a problem with the morality of eternal, infinite torture.

Richard Dawkins pointed out that teaching children that hell is real and people are tortured there forever is child abuse. Many religious believers (including most on DU) agree with him - those whose beliefs are mature enough to discard notions of eternal punishment.

It's your problem to deal with. Perhaps you will spiritually grow to reject the notion of hell someday. But in the meantime, the people who disagree with you are not automatically "bigots."

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14K recs...you should be proud.... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #1

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I think you may want to move this...I don't know if Cleanhippie will see it here. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #8

I see it! Thanks to both of you. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #12

You're welcome. I'm glad you saw both. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #18

And bravo to both of you for your atheistic bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #47

Anti atheist bigotry never gets slapped down on DU Warpy Jan 2013 #51

humble he may proclaim, but the latter of his name is what he is. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #54

Obviously, you are living in an alternate reality Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #63

I spent the first seven years of my life subjected to a catholic upbringing... Walk away Jan 2013 #81

Your posts get hidden when you consistently cross the line trotsky Jan 2013 #61

"consistent smears against atheists" - that's almost comical. humblebum Jan 2013 #78

I started to write Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #90

You can repeat it all you like - won't make it any more true. mr blur Jan 2013 #95

And you can deny it all you like. Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #111

Perhaps you should learn more about what the word "bigoted" means. trotsky Jan 2013 #114

You mean kinda like your bigoted remarks? Amaril Feb 2013 #119

Funny, though, that when a "spiritual" person skepticscott Feb 2013 #120

Right, "raising a child to be Catholic is worse than child abuse" is not bigoted. Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2013 #126

There is a disconnect here, one that you might never be able to process. trotsky Feb 2013 #127

So you too believe that actions should not have consequences Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2013 #128

My point is proven. trotsky Feb 2013 #129

Children raised on "Because I said so." are less critical later in life. DetlefK Jan 2013 #2

Oh hell no.... 4_TN_TITANS Jan 2013 #13

"Because I said so" means "shut the f** up and get in line". Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #101

Lots of commenters on that article's page objecting to the flagging DryRain Jan 2013 #3

hilarious cnn update. here it is Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #38

Theres a lot of intolerance in the religio community RedstDem Jan 2013 #4

If you want to see how tolerant... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #17

+1 cleanhippie Jan 2013 #21

Excellent post. SoapBox Jan 2013 #5

Bravo! Stuckinthebush Jan 2013 #7

Pat Tillman's younger brother said it best... Genghis_Sean Jan 2013 #9

I raised my son with the only intellectually honest answer I could give him about "god" melody Jan 2013 #10

EVERYBODY is raising their children without God. renie408 Jan 2013 #11

I have two kids (aged 2 and 4) and I've never mentioned the word "god" to either of them Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #14

Same here. And we're not putting ours in any preschools that do it either. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #15

This OP should be titled "Why I Rasie My Children Without Christianity" demwing Jan 2013 #16

It is titled the way it should be... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #19

You are entitled demwing Jan 2013 #24

I agree and good point Meshuga Feb 2013 #122

I think perhaps you are reading the story through the lens of YOUR worldview. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #22

I think that person... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #37

hate to break the news to you NJCher Jan 2013 #20

I know that already, but the difference is that I am trying to teach my child HOW to think... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #23

+1 mr blur Jan 2013 #25

The problem is that no matter what side upaloopa Jan 2013 #27

I couldn't disagree more! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #29

Courage and thinking Laochtine Jan 2013 #112

But as a parent... Meshuga Feb 2013 #123

I agree... cleanhippie Feb 2013 #124

Good point Meshuga Feb 2013 #125

Ditto. Dpm12 Jan 2013 #26

the bible is bullshit? madrchsod Jan 2013 #30

What about the region and it's archaeology make the bible not bullshit? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #33

A study of "the history of the region and it's [sic] archaeology" mr blur Jan 2013 #44

It is interesting that this sort of absolute put-down is never challenged Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #113

I happen to think that God is a very good role model and that God is logical. And humblebum Jan 2013 #28

I disagree. EvilAL Jan 2013 #31

So if someone tells you not to commit a murder and you do it there should be humblebum Jan 2013 #36

so a cherry picked god is a good role model Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #39

The attributes I mentioned belong to the God of the Bible. humblebum Jan 2013 #40

so do 'genocidal misogynist' and 'invisible intangible' Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #41

"genocidal misogynist" - I don't believe I've ever seen those words in the Bible, so I guess humblebum Jan 2013 #43

true 'genocidal misogynist' is more accurate and descriptive of yhwh than 'adonai' but there it is Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #49

Being nice to people EvilAL Jan 2013 #42

Who said that it did require "supernatural role model?" humblebum Jan 2013 #46

I said that, EvilAL Jan 2013 #48

your cherry picking the wrong parts i am told. :) Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #50

Guess so... nt EvilAL Jan 2013 #91

Someone who so say sends earthquakes, tornadoes, floods and hurricanes wants me to 2on2u Jan 2013 #52

I would be upset if I had a child that acted the way God is portrayed as behaving in the Bible. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #34

So then do you think Obama is a good role model? nt humblebum Jan 2013 #56

I don't think Obama is God, so I don't see the question as remotely related. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #57

Does he not have the power to end his enemies' lives and on occasion use that power? humblebum Jan 2013 #58

First of all, let me first state that I am an atheist. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #59

I would've never guessed. humblebum Jan 2013 #60

That Obama would choose to preserve life if he had the power of God? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #62

Dude, please don't feed him. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #64

You kinda have this thing against open honest discussion, don't you, humblebum Jan 2013 #66

In fairness to him Gore1FL Jan 2013 #70

"When a being is all knowing, all powerful, and all present, humblebum Jan 2013 #73

OK... If that is your argument Gore1FL Jan 2013 #75

Yep. He can be a mean dude when he's mad. nt humblebum Jan 2013 #77

I am not arguing whether or not Obama is a good role model Gore1FL Jan 2013 #83

I know. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #67

It seems your goal is to define the character of a good role model. And you have humblebum Jan 2013 #65

I expect more out of an all-powerful all-knowing all-present being Gore1FL Jan 2013 #68

The leopard shows its spots. nt humblebum Jan 2013 #69

Meaning? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #71

It means what it says. humblebum Jan 2013 #72

So you are talking about biology now? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #74

You have gotten about as far away from your original argument as one can possibly be. humblebum Jan 2013 #76

At this point, I am merely taunting you to make you make a point. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #79

I think you are talking to yourself more than taunting me. You are entertaining humblebum Jan 2013 #80

Any God worth worshipping is morally perfect Gore1FL Jan 2013 #84

Two things: humblebum Jan 2013 #85

I can't know there is no God, You are correct. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #86

You are still basing your opinion on your flawed reasoning. You say there is no evidence humblebum Jan 2013 #87

Post examples of some of this evidence. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #89

"You simply believe what you were told, and have already conceded humblebum Jan 2013 #92

No. Your own words. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #93

No. those were your words, not mine. humblebum Jan 2013 #94

You didn;t recognize bible texts and said God can do anything he wants Gore1FL Jan 2013 #96

Have a ball. humblebum Jan 2013 #97

It's a real shame he doesn't use his power well Gore1FL Jan 2013 #98

Is it that he doesn't use it well, or is it that he doesn't use it the way you think he should? humblebum Jan 2013 #99

He doesn't use it the way Jesus says one should behave Gore1FL Jan 2013 #100

Oh really? So are you saying that Jesus doesn't approve of God's behavior? If that humblebum Jan 2013 #103

I am saying that Jesus says to behave in a manner God does not. Gore1FL Jan 2013 #104

I think maybe you are using the wrong area code. humblebum Jan 2013 #105

What part of it don;t you understand? Gore1FL Jan 2013 #106

So, you don't approve of God's behavior, therefore he doesn't exist? Makes perfect sense. humblebum Jan 2013 #107

No. I said the God you worship, as decribed in your holy book Gore1FL Jan 2013 #108

Sounds to me that man was made more in the image of God than you care to admit. humblebum Jan 2013 #110

It sounds like you are saying Gore1FL Jan 2013 #115

There is indeed something koan-like tama Jan 2013 #109

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It could be worse. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #117

Amen and Amen! paleotn Feb 2013 #118

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Those are good reasons. EvilAL Jan 2013 #32

The Flag has been removed BillE Jan 2013 #35

I don't know about anyone else, but I find it difficult... CoffeeCat Jan 2013 #45

Excellent article! Thank you so much for writing it. Owl Jan 2013 #53

I wish it was written by me, sadly it is not. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #55

Beautiful! defacto7 Jan 2013 #82

"Those who can make you . . ." another_liberal Jan 2013 #102

Parents should be honest with their children Meshuga Feb 2013 #121