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Act_of_Reparation

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66. It's irrelevant to the point...

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:33 PM

Mar 2013

... as I'm not refuting Jesus' existence, but the groundless claim that there's more evidence for Jesus than Alexander the Great.

But, to entertain your question, I'm undecided on the matter. What we gleam from Josephus is this: a Jewish man named Yeshua was crucified in Jerusalem by Pontius Pilatus. As Yeshua was a staggeringly popular Jewish name, because Pontius Pilatus was notoriously vindictive and famously unpopular with the Jews, and because messianic cults were widespread in First Century Judea, that Pilatus would have crucified an "upstart" named Yeshua is statistically probable, in my own amateur opinion.

But again, I think it is irrelevant. Whether or not a man named Yeshua was crucified by Pontius Pilate does not prove this man was the Biblical Jesus. It wouldn't, ipso facto, support any claims made by adherents to Christianity.

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Francis to faithful: Give up your riches to help the poor [View all] struggle4progress Mar 2013 OP

If only the repugs in the congress NYtoBush-Drop Dead Mar 2013 #1

Is he going to lead by example? nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #2

^^^ This Iggo Mar 2013 #10

So far, it looks like the answer might be "yes." nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #21

He owns nothing. Jesuits take a vow of poverty. You talk like he inherited the Vatican. demosincebirth Mar 2013 #26

Legal ownership is a fiction. Control and posession are what matters. Deep13 Mar 2013 #34

would you apply the same agrument for the presidents of the U.S as they occupy the White House demosincebirth Mar 2013 #35

Do you really think the White House is anything like the Vatican? Deep13 Mar 2013 #41

I think Pope Francis would love to sell the vatican. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #44

Ok. demosincebirth Mar 2013 #50

"the vast wealth of the RC Church ... is not really being used for their purported mission" goldent Mar 2013 #67

He just washed the feet of 12 juvenile convicts Anonymousecoview Mar 2013 #69

That's Christianity. Face it Teabaggers and Republicans! The Wielding Truth Mar 2013 #3

The Franciscans were also inquisitors. Igel Mar 2013 #16

We will have to wait and see if that is his persuasion. So far I have heard good things. The Wielding Truth Mar 2013 #19

Five hundred years ago and you blame Pope Francis? Ridiculous X two. demosincebirth Mar 2013 #27

The Inquisition largely gets a bum rap. Deep13 Mar 2013 #42

i'll donate my video copy of 'shoes of the fisherman' to him markiv Mar 2013 #4

The poor need economic justice and access to contraception BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #5

I would be delighted if the RC Church became a counterweight to vulture capitalism. Deep13 Mar 2013 #12

ok, I'm starting to like this Poop. Voice for Peace Mar 2013 #6

If his actions match his recent words, I will too. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #13

You first, Francis skepticscott Mar 2013 #7

Jesuits take a vow of poverty. I guess you didn't know that. demosincebirth Mar 2013 #29

And our new pope skepticscott Mar 2013 #32

Of course you are right. YOu can justify anything demosincebirth Mar 2013 #36

Was this said wearing Prada between flights to Gandalfo to consult Benny in the dowager palace Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #8

... he decided to forego a ride in a limousine in favor of a mini-van, discarded the fancy red shoes struggle4progress Mar 2013 #11

As someone else said, you go first Francis TlalocW Mar 2013 #9

If they match the rest of his wardrobe, okasha Mar 2013 #15

His awesome shoes: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #48

Those Shoes look Well Used. Wolf Frankula Apr 2013 #70

Another way to say it No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #14

Hopefully it starts the American Bishops thinking about the poor and stop this rightward tilt of the hrmjustin Mar 2013 #17

interesting how we poor are always.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #18

I guess I'm taking a somewhat longer view. Deep13 Mar 2013 #20

We need to divide two kinds of issues. Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #22

One of the things I think has held the Church back on Liberation theology okasha Mar 2013 #23

That first group of issues are also necessary for social justice. Deep13 Mar 2013 #25

In the Catholic mind, they probabloy are seperate. Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #54

It seems to me okasha Mar 2013 #60

So gay rights are not a matter of social justice, eh Charles? skepticscott Mar 2013 #33

Pope Francis locks Mar 2013 #24

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #28

Why do you think Jesus was Stoned to death? hrmjustin Mar 2013 #30

Why do you think Jesus even existed? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #37

Well it is a matter of faith for me, but I also believe that it is unlikely that a man named Jesus hrmjustin Mar 2013 #38

Default position in logic is nonexistence. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #39

Josephus the historian did make mention of him. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #40

There is more evidence for Jesus okasha Mar 2013 #46

Absurd Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #49

Josepus the historian mentions Jesus. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #51

I'm not saying Jesus didn't exist... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #52

For me it is a matter of faith. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #53

So does Tacitus Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #56

No but there are those who say that the only evidence of Jesus is from the NT. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #57

I refer you to Dr. Robin Lane Fox, okasha Mar 2013 #62

In what way does this support your baseless claim? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #64

You make an argument. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #65

It's irrelevant to the point... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #66

A critical historic mark is to see what an event, or supposed event, produced. Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #55

Elaboration is required Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #58

Utter baloney skepticscott Mar 2013 #61

Even Muslims believe that Jesus existed Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #47

Belief in something is not evidence. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #59

He could start by selling off the priceless Bernini sculptures. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #31

Well, he got rid of the gold throne. deucemagnet Mar 2013 #63

This reminds me of the people who complained about the Apollo moon mission goldent Mar 2013 #68

Monastic vows of poverty: ... Deep13 Mar 2013 #43

Jesuits are mostly teachers. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #45