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Marrah_G

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47. If there is a God, let me put this to you:

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:17 PM

Apr 2013

People get very excited about miracles and the miracle of prayer. Someone's cancer goes into remission and it's a miracle.

YET.... time after time throughout history people by the 100's of thousands, even millions have died in horrific ways. What, no miracle for them? Is god only capable of doing little tiny things? I don't get it.

I just have to wonder, where this all good, almighty being was while millions were slaughtered during the holocaust, in Serbia, in Kosovo, in Rwanda, etc. Was he on vacation?

It just honestly makes zero sense to me unless God is an evil fucking bastard, an uncaring voyeur or an absent landlord.

I just cannot rationalize it at all. I've heard all the explanation from my very Catholic family and no.... none of it makes no sense to me.

I remember the night my nephew died of Tay Sachs after 4 years of nothing (and I do mean nothing, but pain) and the priest shows up at the house talking about God's will....... I gotta say, I wanted to punch him.

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Yes, I do have proof that god does not exist. [View all] cleanhippie Apr 2013 OP

... rexcat Apr 2013 #1

Doesn't exist? What if I still want to believe that he is a male bipod who looks like me, AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #2

I have stopped believing in absolutes on some things. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #4

your logic just gave me a neck injury. Deep13 Apr 2013 #30

Never said they were, but R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #42

Your reading habits edhopper Apr 2013 #74

And? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #82

You are not answering my reply edhopper Apr 2013 #87

That's nice. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #97

Glad I could edhopper Apr 2013 #98

It's not realy an amusing day. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #99

Sorry edhopper Apr 2013 #100

No offense taken. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #102

I think the possibility edhopper Apr 2013 #103

A REAL one to worship should be a tripod.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #22

I have proof that you don't! immoderate Apr 2013 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #5

Welcome to DU! rug Apr 2013 #7

i think it was quite clever. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #9

Welcome. However, what you say is nonsense. mr blur Apr 2013 #11

There's that warm welcome that makes this Group a beacon of civility. rug Apr 2013 #12

It looks like Name Removed has already been escorted from the building EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #24

It doesn't excuse the comment. rug Apr 2013 #26

Nothing to excuse EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #32

What familiarity? rug Apr 2013 #33

The aforementioned poster, now nuked EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #48

And you know this how? rug Apr 2013 #65

You were on MIRT, you know how it goes EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #67

I do. It's usually more than one post. rug Apr 2013 #68

I didn't know about the posts in the C&O group, and I certainly wouldn't have EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #69

We should be polite to obvious trolls? Why? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #34

I would answer you Warren but I'm too polite. rug Apr 2013 #36

You can't resist personal attacks, but attempt to shame others for doing Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #43

Although, my politeness has limits. rug Apr 2013 #44

A jury voted 5-1 to leave this post alone... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #75

Thanks. rug Apr 2013 #76

You're welcome.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #77

"There's that warm welcome that makes this Group a beacon of civility." goldent Apr 2013 #80

I welcome you to Du but remember everyone has a different opinion on faith. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #13

Welcome to DU and to the religion group. cbayer Apr 2013 #15

Nonsense. Hissyspit Apr 2013 #18

Wrong. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #21

"There are many proofs" all of which are considered uninteresting to modern philosophy Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #23

Mr Fiborg Has Succeeded On the Road Apr 2013 #6

i wouldn't take him at face value.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #10

And that's okay EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #25

Straw man argument. rug Apr 2013 #8

how so? nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #28

"It is perfect and irrefutable." rug Apr 2013 #31

proof is enough evidence to exclude other possibilities. Deep13 Apr 2013 #38

It depends on what you're trying to prove. rug Apr 2013 #39

true but kant tried to argue that divine imperatives.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #110

I think it's God Himself that 'his proof' is being compared to muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #46

I'm sure that's his intent but his grammar leads elsewhere. rug Apr 2013 #66

I have absolute proof there is a god: corkhead Apr 2013 #14

I have absolute proof there is a devil: Sarah Palin could have been our Vice President. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2013 #16

ftw Soylent Brice Apr 2013 #20

Whenever you find yourself in that position, you face a difficult choice. Should you go dimbear Apr 2013 #17

I am going to steal that. sakabatou Apr 2013 #19

outstanding nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #27

Interesting and logical, but there is no proof either way. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #29

He knows that. Hissyspit Apr 2013 #35

I never believed in any Burden of proof. You believe or you don't. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #37

Burden of Proof Fallacy: Hissyspit Apr 2013 #40

Thanks for clarrifying it. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #41

If there is a God, let me put this to you: Marrah_G Apr 2013 #47

I don't believe miracles happen today. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #50

Did they use to happen? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #54

I believe that Jesus made miracles. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #57

But not the Old Testament ones? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #59

Some I would say yes and some i would say were allegory. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #70

To everyone: What would proof of God look like? lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #45

Empirical is what it would look like. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #49

so you think when we die there is nothing? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #51

I've seen nothing that supports the idea that there is. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #52

Just faith that there is a heaven. Sorry I have no inside knowlege. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #56

No hell? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #60

I do not believe in hell. I think almost all souls make it to heaven. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #71

So this heaven is crowded with billions of individual former people? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #72

I am sorry to get back late on this but all I can say is I do not know hrmjustin Apr 2013 #83

Doggie heaven! Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #85

I would imagine so! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #86

So do babies go to heaven? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #88

I would think they do. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #89

What personality do they have for eternity? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #90

I can not answer that but it is something to think about. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #91

maybe god can make one up for them? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #92

I would think you don't have all of your old problems from earth when you get into heaven. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #93

Insane from birth. What "personality" survives for eternity? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #94

i do not know. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #95

Is there Nutella? lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #105

If you want it there than i am sure it will be there. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #106

OH: So Heaven is whatever you want? No wonder you believe in it! It's GOOD! lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #107

"OH: So Heaven is whatever you want? No wonder you believe in it! It's GOOD!" goldent Apr 2013 #108

Go for it! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #109

Yes of course. You die, you're dead, done, gone. Lights off. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #53

I hope there is more! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #58

You can hope all you want but I suggest you make the most of this life here. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #73

Good advice! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #84

No straight answers here. Guess we have no idea what we're looking for. lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #79

If we are talking about proofs come up by humans... goldent Apr 2013 #81

Kurt G�del, probably the top logician of the 20th century, thought it would look like ... Jim__ Apr 2013 #104

not everything mathematical is also empirical. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #111

That's not a mathematical theorem. Jim__ Apr 2013 #114

ah so.. i had no idea he tinkered so deeply with metaphysics.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #115

The argument was offered here only as a response to the question in post #45. Jim__ Apr 2013 #121

Here's my proof: gateley Apr 2013 #55

The Blessed Trinity? Not Anonymousecoview Apr 2013 #61

And that book bu Viktor Frankl - inspirational and awe-inspiring. I'm not sure I'd gateley Apr 2013 #63

I hear you Anonymousecoview Apr 2013 #64

Reminds me of a brief (and I do mean brief) HeiressofBickworth Apr 2013 #62

The last time the jehovah's knocked on my door, I asked them to grab the end of the 12'X20'carpet I lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #78

Proof is for logic, mathematics, and whiskey. LTX Apr 2013 #96

great post! kwassa Apr 2013 #101

there's another layer of satire.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #112

Doesn't that still come full circle to evidence? LTX Apr 2013 #116

ah but it's a *joke* .. so no, because it wouldn't be as funny. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #117

Maybe. But if the "joke" is LTX Apr 2013 #118

well i chuckled. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #119

The point is that he can feel superior to everyone. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #120

Good catch goldent Apr 2013 #113