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58. Original sin was thought up in the 3rd century

Reply to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:10 PM

Apr 2013

out of a neo-Platonic notion that has long since been offered to the dust bins of both philosophy and history. Substitutionary theories developed in the 11the century. You are right. No original sin ,and therefore no need for substitutionary atonement.

I cannot remember the last time I was in a church that used any creed. And when it is used it is poetry. Bishop Pike, an Anglican, said he could not say the Creed but he could sing it.

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How can they torture me in hell? [View all] Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 OP

They give you a Body. BlueJazz Apr 2013 #1

Really?? Even if you're not Gregor Samsa?? DreamGypsy Apr 2013 #6

i love me some crumb. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #16

I Married R. Crumb... DreamGypsy Apr 2013 #18

awesome. \n Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #22

It's a lot like the army. You're issued one. n/t dimbear Apr 2013 #2

Many Christians( I am not one of them) believe you get your body back so you can be hrmjustin Apr 2013 #3

a physical body? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #4

Yes they do. Many believe that when all the stuff in revelation is done all humans have their bodies hrmjustin Apr 2013 #5

my path to non-belief started in hell. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #24

I just never really like the idea of the place. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #25

logical. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #27

Humanity needs a few more centuries to evolve. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #28

Several millennium if we survive that long. gordianot Apr 2013 #32

It's part of the Apostle's Creed. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #7

so these physical bodies have to be physically somewhere Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #8

We never said it was logical but a matter of faith. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #9

I hope that there is, too. Gore1FL Apr 2013 #10

I think the resurrected bodies will be No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #17

That is a good way of putting it. I still have a hard time believing in hell. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #19

That's all right. No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #21

Didn't Christ still have his injuries after his resurrection? Mariana Apr 2013 #23

It's true that Christ revealed his wounds to Thomas, No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #42

ah.. but you said that you didn't believe in hell because it wasn't 'logical'.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #29

Yeah you did get me on that one. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #30

i think i know what you mean. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #35

It goes in waves for me. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #36

i don't believe my faiths were ever strong. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #38

That is why I always thought God takes us as we are. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #39

what if hell makes sense? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #40

That we live in a screwed up world. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #41

you have a gift for understatement, my friend. \n Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #45

Ah of course, off into ineffability. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #47

I will be honest sometimes the thought does occur but I do believe in it. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #49

thank you this was my 1st thought.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #20

With or without Blue4Texas Apr 2013 #54

I googled how many christians have ever lived and found estimate of 7.7 billion XRubicon Apr 2013 #11

I don't believe in hell. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #12

I don't either, I was just pointing out how ridiculous the concept of hell is. XRubicon Apr 2013 #13

I hope there is a heaven. I want to see people that I miss. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #14

I hope it is there for you too. nt XRubicon Apr 2013 #15

Hell could be you have to listen to Rush, Hannity, and Beck every moment of forever. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #26

'hell is other people' Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #31

Sartre ropi Apr 2013 #34

ding ding ding!! we have a winner! Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #37

Your flesh regenerates xfundy Apr 2013 #33

As long as people here insist on having fun ridiculing Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #43

Would you mind defining "modern progressive Christians"? Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #44

What is difficult for you seems to be accepting that Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #55

If you don't believe in original sin, then you don't need substitutionary atonement. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #56

Original sin was thought up in the 3rd century Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #58

Every church I went to used the Apostles' Creed. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #60

There are many Christians right here on DU who believe that people will be tortured in hell. trotsky Apr 2013 #48

Silly rabbit, don't you know facts and logic = anti-Christian bigotry? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #52

New! Improved! Less Ridiculous Woo! Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #50

Too funny!!! Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #57

Mind telling us who the "they" is? nt Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #59

Serious question here. Conjoined twins. One evil. One good. What happens? n/t dimbear Apr 2013 #46

My "hell" will be made of lizards darkangel218 Apr 2013 #51

I think something slightly different but along similar lines 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #53