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cbayer

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46. Let's actually look at the definition from wiki's page on delusions.

Wed May 1, 2013, 05:38 PM

May 2013

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.

The key concepts here are that the belief is held despite superior evidence to the contrary and the criteria described which would make it pathological. The source for this definition is from 2011 and the one used by professionals.

Your quote is from a 1963 German paper and is not consistent with the above definition, nor used by professionals.

So, I guess we can't agree on that.

If you are going to try and make the case that religion is by it's very nature delusional and constitutes a psychiatric disorder, we will have little to discuss, unless you can present some of that superior evidence to the contrary.

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Simple Question about Culpability.. [View all] Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 OP

Trying to make trouble, eh? elleng Apr 2013 #1

to be honest.. no. i'm not trying to make trouble. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #2

What's your theory about (say) the causes of the first World War? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #3

Nothing particularly good seems to have resulted from it AlbertCat Apr 2013 #12

IIRC the UK House of Lords still contains some hereditary peers. struggle4progress Apr 2013 #18

I said "demise" not eradication AlbertCat May 2013 #25

What good came out of WW1? trotsky Apr 2013 #15

I've worked in a lot of psych settings Warpy Apr 2013 #4

i don't doubt your experience.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #22

Yes, there would be Warpy Apr 2013 #24

Mentioning examples which are clearly sadomasochism is practically shooting fish in a barrel. dimbear Apr 2013 #5

I don't understand your premise here at all. cbayer Apr 2013 #6

a question more than a premise.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #21

The answer to your final question is no. cbayer May 2013 #40

Many have pointed this out. I have never seen a religious believer counter it: trotsky Apr 2013 #7

Religion is dangerous? I have never had a dangerous moment with my faith. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #8

Read what I said is dangerous about it. trotsky Apr 2013 #9

Yes I see what you are saying. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #10

Religion is dangerous? I have never had a dangerous moment with my faith. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #13

Thank you for you advice. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #16

I don't think there's a psychiatrist in either hemisphere that agrees withn your premise. rug Apr 2013 #11

my premise was framed as a question.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #20

Henry James examined this a century ago. rug May 2013 #27

"religious experiences...are symptoms of mental illness" FINALLY! WAY TO GO, RUG! cleanhippie May 2013 #28

I'm flattered you quoted me. rug May 2013 #29

I'm glad we agree that religious experiences are a result of mental illness. cleanhippie May 2013 #32

Actually we don't. rug May 2013 #51

"religious experiences...are symptoms of mental illness". Your words, not mine. cleanhippie May 2013 #52

Only some of them. Why don't you post all of them. rug May 2013 #53

"religious experiences...are symptoms of mental illness". Your words, not mine. cleanhippie May 2013 #55

I see you can't shake your dishonesty. It takes a small person to be able to hide behind an ellipsis rug May 2013 #56

"religious experiences...are symptoms of mental illness". Your words, not mine. cleanhippie May 2013 #61

Integrity. It's a wonderful concept. rug May 2013 #62

"religious experiences...are symptoms of mental illness". Your words, not mine. cleanhippie May 2013 #63

Integrity. It's a wonderful concept. rug May 2013 #64

"religious experiences...are symptoms of mental illness". Your words, not mine. cleanhippie May 2013 #65

I would think... AlbertCat Apr 2013 #14

"Mental illness" is in most instances just as physical okasha Apr 2013 #17

true there are physical symptoms of schizophrenia, but.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #19

We are completely culpable. Until religious beliefs are not given special privilege... cleanhippie May 2013 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin May 2013 #31

What? cleanhippie May 2013 #33

Forgive me I forgot a word or two. Do you think religous belief is crazy? hrmjustin May 2013 #34

No, belief is a natural part of being a human with a brain. cleanhippie May 2013 #35

There has never been evidence given to me that there is no God. hrmjustin May 2013 #36

Never claimed there was. cleanhippie May 2013 #37

i believe Jesus came back from the dead. I believe Jesus raised people from the dead. hrmjustin May 2013 #38

To me, that seems crazy. cleanhippie May 2013 #39

An honest opinion! I believe that God allowed the laws of physics to be put aside when Jesus came. hrmjustin May 2013 #41

but you reject (some of the) other crazy horseshit in the bible. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #43

I never put it that way. hrmjustin May 2013 #45

What are the physical symptoms of schizophrenia and in what part of the DSM would I find that cbayer May 2013 #42

How about the wiki definition of delusions as a starting point? Warren Stupidity May 2013 #44

Let's actually look at the definition from wiki's page on delusions. cbayer May 2013 #46

I would also add Act_of_Reparation May 2013 #47

That is absolutely true. cbayer May 2013 #49

well there's a pee test.. so that's an indicator.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #48

What pee test? cbayer May 2013 #50

back at a computer instead of phone.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #54

Interesting, but that is not a recognized biomarker test for schizophrenia. cbayer May 2013 #57

that was my point to begin with if you scroll up. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #58

I don't think those are good examples, to be honest Act_of_Reparation May 2013 #59

well this thread has taken a schizophrenic turn i didn't expect.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #60

I may be a bit off my friend but you should not judge believers just from me. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #23

Um, no, religion is not an organic disorder. Deep13 May 2013 #26