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edhopper

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57. Well Occam's razor comes to mind for starters

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:24 PM

Jul 2013

Also I did not say it was just my personal experience against another's.
What i am saying is once I stopped think my personal experience was a better yardstick than a more objective approach, I could see how flawed and erroneous simply relying on experience alone could be.
Once I could see that the logic of other explanations were more coherent than ones based on just my limited and wholly subjective view.

When objectively I see no evidence for the existence of God, then I therefore see these experiences as something other than feeling his presence, since his presence does not exist.

And you start on a slippery slope when it comes to accepting anyone's experience just because they feel it is true.

Can you not easily see many, many examples that you would agree are not true? People doing and feeling things they "know" God wants them to?

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And here is one of the big problems with belief edhopper Jul 2013 #52

Because one has not experienced it does not make it obviously untrue. cbayer Jul 2013 #53

Do you think Fred Phelps' opinions on homosexuality are "obviously untrue"? trotsky Jul 2013 #54

Or one has experienced it edhopper Jul 2013 #55

And that is fine. cbayer Jul 2013 #56

Well Occam's razor comes to mind for starters edhopper Jul 2013 #57

Well, of course you discarded personal experience in the face cbayer Jul 2013 #58

And if God is telling them to kill abortion doctors? edhopper Jul 2013 #59

Did I not make it clear that a line should be drawn when one's beliefs cbayer Jul 2013 #60

Billions of believers draw that "bright" line in a different place than you do. trotsky Jul 2013 #64

Google the God Helmet. That alone pretty much refutes everything you claim. cleanhippie Jul 2013 #62

I'm sorry, but there is just too much hilarity in this post to not respond. cbayer Jul 2013 #63

While the results of the "god helmet" may not be conclusive, trotsky Jul 2013 #65

Yes, your post was just too hillarious not to respond to. And we are laughing our butts off. cleanhippie Jul 2013 #66

It's a completely meaningless, nonsensical question MellowDem Jul 2013 #61