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trotsky

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34. One of the things that you seem to take for granted...

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:23 AM

Sep 2013

is that the "facts" of the bible are somehow established to be accurate.

We have some evidence that a person similar to the biblical character of Jesus existed, but the only evidence we have that he did any of the things attributed to him is these stories that were finally written down a generation (at least) after he supposedly did them.

Given the evidence we do have about many of the moral principles and concepts in those stories and how they predate Christianity, it seems more likely that someone bolted on the stories to create/embellish the messiah character in their religion. History is full of such examples.

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There are Christians and then there are Christians. [View all] Starboard Tack Sep 2013 OP

There are Christians and people who completely missed the point Warpy Sep 2013 #1

I don't think they've stolen the label at all. trotsky Sep 2013 #2

CHINOS notadmblnd Sep 2013 #4

The irony is skepticscott Sep 2013 #3

The irony is some have Xian values and some are fascists Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #5

Can you declare, with any authority whatsoever... trotsky Sep 2013 #6

What, are you a Christian after all? rug Sep 2013 #7

Apparently skepticscott Sep 2013 #9

The irony is skepticscott Sep 2013 #8

Nobody needs god Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #12

Maybe if people like you stopped claiming values as "Xstian" skepticscott Sep 2013 #13

Ah, so Xians are not allowed share positive values with us. I see. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #17

You'll note that neither scott nor I have called them "atheist values." trotsky Sep 2013 #18

Yes I agree Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #23

One of the things that you seem to take for granted... trotsky Sep 2013 #34

Not at all. The bible is an anthology of stories. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #35

What you said was: trotsky Sep 2013 #36

No more of a "fact" than Superman came from Krypton. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #37

Just wanted clarification. trotsky Sep 2013 #38

Hmmm..let's see now skepticscott Sep 2013 #20

"Some of us embrace Xian values..." What. The. Fuck are Christian values? Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #10

Tolerance, loving thy neighbor as thyself, do unto others, caring for the lessfortunate. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #11

Those aren't Christian values, they are human values. trotsky Sep 2013 #14

Why do you feel the need to claim those values as "Xstian"? skepticscott Sep 2013 #15

Honestly, hearing these things portrayed as "Christian values" to me sounds exactly like... trotsky Sep 2013 #16

They are values that some of us share. I never said they were unique. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #19

Thank you for backing down and admitting they aren't "Christian" values. trotsky Sep 2013 #21

It's heartwarming skepticscott Sep 2013 #22

You're welcome. They are not exclusively "Christian" values Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #25

I don't claim that they are exclusively Xian values. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #24

Nice dodge skepticscott Sep 2013 #26

No dodge at all Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #29

What makes any of those exclusively Christian? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #27

Absolutely nothing Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #30

Ahh, you are a cherry picker of Jesus, a Jesus fan, as it were... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #31

A cherry picker, indeed I am, if that means discriminating between the good and the rotten fruit. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #32

Talking of cherry picking. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #33

You know Jesus was sent to only save the Israelites, right? Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #39

Well, I guess we could cherry pick all day long to prove a point. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #41

So basically you are arguing that Christian values don't really exist... Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #43

I seriously doubt your examples are considered values by anyone Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #44

The term "Christian values" is exclusive by its very nature. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2013 #45

Not to me it isn't. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #46

I like to tell Rapture Republicans that ... JEFF9K Sep 2013 #28

From one Apostate to all the newly declared ones LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #40

Rock on! Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #42