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62. I've never made that claim, but dogma is not confined only to religious belief.

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Just a thought.... [View all] Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 OP

Cool! You managed to get Jews, Christians and Muslims all in one shot! cbayer Oct 2013 #1

Nevertheless, the stories told about Abraham do show him to be a dick muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #2

Imagine what they'll think of us in 4,000 years. rug Oct 2013 #3

I'd hope they won't be holding a dick up as a paragon of virtue (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #4

What you consider a paragon of virtue now, they likely won't. rug Oct 2013 #5

But the Abraham character is a dick now, and yet he's still in the book over 2,500 years later muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #6

What is or is not dickishness changes over time. rug Oct 2013 #7

"the only 'redeeming' thing about Abraham is that he does what God tells him" trotsky Oct 2013 #8

That's also assuming there really WAS a "god" involved and he wasn't crazy or lying. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #13

The "gotcha" being that we have absolutely no way to tell the difference! n/t trotsky Oct 2013 #15

Had to add this... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #17

You could say Abraham started a chain of events that led to more deaths than anyone else in history. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #11

I find it hard to believe anyone really thinks he existed unless they insist all the bible is true muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #22

The OT is a conglomeration of popular myths from many cultures and a few facts.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #24

One detail strikes me as very realistic. Sarah dies (Genesis 23) far away in Canaan. dimbear Oct 2013 #81

You crack me up sometimes, dimbear. cbayer Oct 2013 #91

I love Bible verse time. dimbear Oct 2013 #100

You could but you'd look ridiculous. rug Oct 2013 #43

Ever meet someone who can't wrap their head around the idea of someone not believing in Jesus? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #49

Yes I have. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #51

Weird,...isn't it. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #59

Yes i would say it is werd and can be annoying. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #64

Especially if you were raised to believe everyone is equal. And they come off as superior. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #68

So, let me ask you this - do you think that believers are equal to you cbayer Oct 2013 #72

That depends. The GOAL is Peace On Earth. Some think to get there they need to kill. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #74

Is what you are saying is that you feel superior to those who cbayer Oct 2013 #76

No, I'm saying those who feel the need to kill feel superior when they're not. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #87

So you haven't answered my questions about whether you feel superior to believers. cbayer Oct 2013 #89

Not at all. I know it's cultural. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #93

Do you think most Christians kill or think they need to kill? hrmjustin Oct 2013 #77

Some do. They feel they are in a war with the secular world. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #90

Unfortunately we have members of our faith that have commited violence in the name of God, but most hrmjustin Oct 2013 #92

It's when someone believes they are the instrument that things get freaky. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #94

Yes but that is a very small amount of the population. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #95

Considering how VAST the population of religion types there are even a fraction percent is too many. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #98

I agree. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #99

We believe that all are equal. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #73

Many now claim that's Commie talk. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #78

Maybe in RW circles but not here in NYC. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #79

That's because you can't play Davy Crockett in Central Park. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #84

Rarely. rug Oct 2013 #83

NYC is multicultural so people are exposed to different ideas. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #85

I find this rather offensive. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #9

You wouldn't if you were an outsider. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #10

What's an outsider? And do you speak for all of them? cbayer Oct 2013 #12

Do you speak for all insiders? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #14

What makes you think I am an insider? cbayer Oct 2013 #19

No. It was meant to provide a unique perspective. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #20

It's not a unique perspective. cbayer Oct 2013 #21

Most Christians don't even know who Abraham was. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #25

How do you know that? hrmjustin Oct 2013 #27

Ask them. They know Adam and Eve and the only reason they know Moses is the 10 Commandments.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #32

All the Christians I know, know who he is. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #33

Try the ones at Walmart. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #35

I think Christians who read their ible know who Abraham is. He is a rather central figure in the OT. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #37

The Bible is a PROP to many of them. Something to wave and thump.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #40

I would say many people use the bile as a sword and they should not. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #42

That's because Abraham is not the central character in their religion. cbayer Oct 2013 #30

There really is such a thing as "blind faith". Some even take PRIDE in it. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #36

Agree, because that is the basis of faith. cbayer Oct 2013 #39

It is when you claim people who think are a danger. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #41

Who claims that people that think are a danger? cbayer Oct 2013 #45

Do you even KNOW anyone who drives an SUV? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #46

What does that have to do with it? Of course I do. cbayer Oct 2013 #48

"What do you drive?" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #55

Lol! Well, I'm glad you returned to the thread. cbayer Oct 2013 #60

I'm dealing with things on this end. Laundry, scrubbing floors... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #63

I'm trying to stay out of the blazing sun, keep my queasiness at bay cbayer Oct 2013 #70

Your perspective, that all faiths and religions are equal and valid... trotsky Oct 2013 #28

Thanks for your response, woke me from this twilight zone Southside Oct 2013 #53

What exactly did you find enlightening? cbayer Oct 2013 #58

Every time I read his posts I feel a bright light of clear unbiased logic. rug Oct 2013 #86

You are welcome to post in the religion group as much as you want. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #88

Yes, we all know very well skepticscott Oct 2013 #23

We are going to have conflict as long as we have an urge to have kingdoms.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #26

We are going to have conflict as long as one group thinks they are cbayer Oct 2013 #31

At least Christians are mellowing.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #34

You are right, they are still around. cbayer Oct 2013 #38

What I see in young people is questioning why they need to keep this stuff going... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #44

Some are, others are not. cbayer Oct 2013 #47

Religion is facing rejection due to it's dogma. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #50

I can say my parish has plenty of younger people. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #52

As a percentage of the population the numbers are falling. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #57

Religions need to speak to the times they are in. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #61

Now all you have to do is get them to end hunger worldwide. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #66

Religion is not going to solve that alone. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #67

The money they raise could.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #71

I believe that members should decide where the money goes. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #75

I've volunteered at a Lutheran food bank. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #80

Great glad to hear it. We have many Epicopal food banks here in NYC. We also help LGBT homeless hrmjustin Oct 2013 #82

There needs to be a purge of the con men who treat religion as a money maker. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #96

I agree. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #97

So will anti-theism if it keeps going in the same direction. cbayer Oct 2013 #54

That kinda goes back to the "Atheism is a religion" nonsense. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #56

I've never made that claim, but dogma is not confined only to religious belief. cbayer Oct 2013 #62

That is very true. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #65

Baloney skepticscott Oct 2013 #69

I still find it offensive. But i will move on. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #16

Whew,...certainy glad the whole "burning heretics" thing has fallen out of fashion. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #18

Ok. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #29