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Taverner

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Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:24 PM Jan 2012

Would the world be better with or without Christianity? [View all]

Thought Experiment:

Let's just say we could convince every Christian that Christianity is untrue, a myth, and convince them not to practice it. Similar to a question Prof. Dawkins once asked Christopher Hitchens. But let's postulate for a moment that this could be achieved. Would it do any good? Would it do any harm? Or would it do nothing?

I opt for the latter. In reference to Dawkins' quote that "for good men to do evil, it takes religion," I argue lots of things can trigger a good man to do evil. Psychoses, hallucinations, fear, and the influence of drugs can make a person commit evil. And when I mention fear, I am not referring to Xenophobic fear, but more the 'seeing a shape moving in the night, and you shoot at it first' type of fear.

Christianity, and all religions for that matter, are pretty much what the believer makes of them.

Yes, there are cultic tendencies, and these are never more apparent than in Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christianity. But in the end, these are more the fault of authoritarianism, of cult of personality or manipulation. The same thing happens at a Lyndon LaRouche movement, or a Maoist uprising, or in North Korea.

But many people choose religion for mundane reasons. The believer likes the congregation, or the church has a great youth program, or the believer really likes hymns. Or, as in many cases, the believer wants to change the world for the better.

Now, I am not advocating theism with this thread, but at the same time I am not viewing Christianity as all good or all bad. It is a tradition conceived at a time before germ theory, before genetics, before the theory of evolution - even before we knew the Earth was round. Like any tradition, it has changed with time, and has had reactions against those changes.

As any revolutionary will tell you, large sweeping changes usually don't occur during times of oppression, but during times when certain freedoms were extended, then taken away. Think the US after WWII, USSR after Glasnost, and a current example is Syria.

And of course, with every large sweeping change there is a backlash. But I digress.

Your thoughts?

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I pretty much agree. But the problem with "What if...?" ... immoderate Jan 2012 #1
The world would be a better place without a lot of things. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #2
Provocative question, speaks more to the history of humankind than to... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #3
What's the magic of Christianity AlbertCat Jan 2012 #17
Adoption by the later Roman Empire? FiveGoodMen Jan 2012 #18
As far as I am concerned, most religions are equally un-magical. Or maybe.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #20
Without. Deep13 Jan 2012 #4
Oh I agree - it can be very evil Taverner Jan 2012 #7
Hard to imagine one worse than Christianity. nt Deep13 Jan 2012 #8
At the risk of fatwa, I would say Islam does... Taverner Jan 2012 #16
Can be, but only because Christianity is weakened... Deep13 Jan 2012 #21
The core doctrine of many religions is evil. They never expected it to go so far. Taverner Jan 2012 #22
agreed. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2012 #13
I vote "Without" too. BiggJawn Jan 2012 #5
By "better," do you mean more promiscuous? ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #6
2 alternative histories... onager Jan 2012 #9
Or a third.... Taverner Jan 2012 #15
It would be better (saner) without all religion, mr blur Jan 2012 #10
I say without and (without going into many ideas on the thought), is the fact that each person... BlueJazz Jan 2012 #11
+1. I was going to say personal responsibility. PassingFair Jan 2012 #12
Come on. You would be taking away a shitload of material from stand up comedians! HopeHoops Jan 2012 #14
Well, if it HADN'T existed way back when.... AlbertCat Jan 2012 #19
Kick. iris27 Mar 2012 #23
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