Atheists & Agnostics

edhopper

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121. I am aware of the concept

Sun Mar 29, 2015, 10:37 PM

Mar 2015

I asked what YOU mean by it.

I have seen people use determinism for everything from cause and effect to everything that has happened is the the only thing that could have happened.
Some even claim it means there is no free will.
What do YOU mean by it?

Why do you think a deterministic universe leads to the possibility of God?

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Is this a place for rational discourse? [View all] SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 OP

rational discourse is not a requirement here :-) Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #1

The word carries baggage that is thousands of years old. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #4

so far I've got nothing. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #17

not sure where you are going with this responce SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #19

Einstein died many decades before we discovered several properties of light. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #129

would a flea collar help? edgineered Mar 2015 #2

This responce is not helpful to me. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #6

relative to events in this group over the past several days edgineered Mar 2015 #8

I do not understand your responce SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #9

coaching, counseling, and proselytizing are a few groups over -> edgineered Mar 2015 #10

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #12

Well, are we supposed to...guess? mr blur Mar 2015 #3

I wonder what makes the question of god a valid question. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #14

It isn't a valid question. God is a salve for a capricious world. jeff47 Mar 2015 #22

I like these ideas SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #27

IMO, the only deterministic thing is the laws of physics won't be violated. jeff47 Mar 2015 #29

Yes - that does seem to be the case SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #31

Then stop hinting at what you want to explore and start talking about it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #33

For you, at this time, my question is SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #34

I was born into an atheist family. jeff47 Mar 2015 #36

I want to stay away from the religion topic SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #44

Discussing atheism while staying away from the religion topic Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #58

everything SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #60

"I am an atheist - you are stupid" Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #61

this is what I should have said SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #64

Reading the Bible. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #66

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #68

Of course there is garbage in your mind. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #71

I do - whenever I find some SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #74

The God Delusion edhopper Mar 2015 #70

I just threw that out as an example of wording that might... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #75

got it edhopper Mar 2015 #80

If you're going to talk about atheism, you're inherently talking about religion. jeff47 Mar 2015 #93

well done SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #102

Gasp!! You mean I'm more likely to sleep when laying down!!?!?!?! jeff47 Mar 2015 #106

Atheist is a beautiful word Cartoonist Mar 2015 #5

I have never heard anyone say that - beautiful word SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #7

Of course you will get "rational discourse", if that's what you want. mr blur Mar 2015 #11

I do not believe that the question is a "real" question SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #15

I have similar trouble bvf Mar 2015 #13

Well lets take a look... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #18

Okay. bvf Mar 2015 #21

This question seems very far from the topic SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #25

Did you mean "vertices" just then? bvf Mar 2015 #37

Yes - thanks for the correction SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #46

Before I put you on ignore once and for all bvf Mar 2015 #49

What do you have to say about the ideas expressed by these people? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #52

You've connected the word to a belief system; a doctrine. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #16

The semantics of the word is not as important as the historical baggage to me SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #20

on the front page SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #23

If you're looking for answers to existential questions, LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #24

Ok SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #30

You've changed up the question since you started this conversation. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #32

Very Very Good SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #35

What? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #38

Troll or navel-gazer. bvf Mar 2015 #39

Cloying. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #40

This was a very unkind responce SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #43

Sucks to be you then, I guess. bvf Mar 2015 #45

IS THIS WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE GROUP SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #48

Actually all caps is Strictly Prohibited. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #99

did not know about the caps SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #107

Well Consider This Your Final Warning Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #132

Possibly so. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #50

Before we can answer those questions Rainforestgoddess Mar 2015 #94

to each their own SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #96

Okee dokey Rainforestgoddess Mar 2015 #100

that is a sharp observation SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #105

this one's been in the catnip! edgineered Mar 2015 #54

Nobody is going to jump on you for asking that question. Goblinmonger Mar 2015 #26

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #28

" it is the baggage of the great thinkers that I want to see explored."? mr blur Mar 2015 #41

How do you feel about edhopper Mar 2015 #42

I you really want to know... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #47

The evidence suggest it is likely, or at least very possible. edhopper Mar 2015 #51

You keep suggesting that i am "uneasy" SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #53

I used uneasy instead of uncomfortable edhopper Mar 2015 #63

I do not see them as the same SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #65

Okay edhopper Mar 2015 #67

as an evangelical agnostic SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #69

That is another matter edhopper Mar 2015 #73

YES YES YES SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #76

So it's the approach to the conversation edhopper Mar 2015 #79

That is a lot of words you are trying to putting in my mouth SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #86

I wasn't trying to be flip edhopper Mar 2015 #88

Thank you - that was very clear SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #97

So you are bothered edhopper Mar 2015 #108

You have been brainwashed. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #83

Not a helpful responce SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #85

What....The....Hell. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #87

I think that I posted to the wrong place SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #90

"evangelical agnostic" - snort - Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #101

I think he'd get along well with the Goblinmonger Mar 2015 #109

Disingenuous much? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #55

no SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #56

Stop with the baiting. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #57

Be well SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #59

You show yourself as yet another apologist, edgineered Mar 2015 #62

no you have twisted my words SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #72

a cut and paste of what you said is twisting your words? really? SoLIAR edgineered Mar 2015 #77

......... Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #81

you have debased yourself SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #82

If you want to be considered as anything but skepticscott Mar 2015 #78

Thank you for the advice SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #84

If that is true maybe you should have bumped into some of the other threads in here first. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #92

another hostile remark SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #110

I answered your question in the other thread. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #113

Sorry didn't see this post until now LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #89

I have reponded to so many on this subject SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #95

Really. That's not offensive. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #98

your responce went over my head SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #104

If you spell that word wrong one more time... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2015 #124

Thanks for the s SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #126

I don't get your poet point--as to the word itself. Goblinmonger Mar 2015 #111

You make your point well SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #114

Well Goblinmonger Mar 2015 #115

Okay edhopper Mar 2015 #112

Nothing - Absolutly nothing SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #116

I don't know what you mean about edhopper Mar 2015 #117

see determinism SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #118

So you can't simply explain what you mean? edhopper Mar 2015 #119

If you do not know this concept SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #120

I am aware of the concept edhopper Mar 2015 #121

tired hungry - bad answer - I am struggling with it now SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #122

Sounds like you have things to think about edhopper Mar 2015 #123

Well there is your issue LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #125

many thanks SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #127

Of course this is a place for rational discourse EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #91

Are you willing to walk me through the process? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #103

Sounds like a task for you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #128

Holy Babble, Batman! mr blur Mar 2015 #130

POW! THWACK! OOF! N/T! bvf Mar 2015 #131

I'm locking this while the hosts discuss things EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2015 #133