2016 Postmortem

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What happened to Howard Dean? [View all] SHRED Jan 2016 OP

That's a shame libodem Jan 2016 #1

It's not his opposition. He is a centrist. (See Reply 52.) He makes money and stays relevant merrily Jan 2016 #54

He's now representing the health insurance corporate wing John Poet Jan 2016 #139

He's really sold out the one and only issue on which he was liberal. merrily Jan 2016 #145

He's a Democratic Party loyalist first. HassleCat Jan 2016 #2

Never thought I'd get a chance to post this... bvf Jan 2016 #7

I love that tune dflprincess Jan 2016 #27

I wonder what he really thought of the Vietnam War before it did him in? merrily Jan 2016 #56

Quite a few years ago I heard his son, Skip (Hubert, III) say that his father had dflprincess Jan 2016 #121

I am not so sure about Humphrey's loyalty to LBJ, as opposed to Humphrey's loyalty to merrily Jan 2016 #122

Speaking of Hubert and loyalty to a candidate dflprincess Jan 2016 #143

Great stories, DFL. Thank you! merrily Jan 2016 #144

Like many people he was lied to Buzz cook Jan 2016 #126

You know that Humphrey did not have good info about the war how? merrily Jan 2016 #130

Sorry I thought you would be aware of the history Buzz cook Jan 2016 #137

How we got into Vietnam and why we stayed is a different issue from merrily Jan 2016 #142

Read the book nt Buzz cook Jan 2016 #146

I would not even believe Humphrey himself if he told me he knew only lies, let alone merrily Jan 2016 #147

Remain ignorant then. Buzz cook Jan 2016 #150

Not ignorant, just not gullible. merrily Jan 2016 #155

Refusing to educate yourself Buzz cook Jan 2016 #158

I never refused to educate myself. I refused to be gullible. merrily Jan 2016 #159

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_and_the_Brightest Buzz cook Jan 2016 #160

So, repeating what you posted umpteen posts ago is all you've got? I thought so. merrily Jan 2016 #161

The most amazing thing is that Tom Lehrer is still alive. SheilaT Jan 2016 #45

One of the odd little sound bytes senz Jan 2016 #110

He's never been a progressive, except on health care. Please see Reply 52. merrily Jan 2016 #57

I wonder the same thing Awknid Jan 2016 #3

He's always been a middle of the road Democrat. It is what it is. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #28

He is not kissing the ass of the pony of the hour. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #4

I'd like that pony that the rest of the western world is riding. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #12

But he is kissing certain asses. Oh yes he is. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #23

He's kissing plenty of ass, all right, just not liberal ass or Sanders ass. merrily Jan 2016 #64

The only "ponies of the hour" in this scenario are Hill and Howard. senz Jan 2016 #107

Absolutely Hillary's Toadie it seems. Cleita Jan 2016 #5

Quite a few of those around senz Jan 2016 #109

Maybe this is who he has been fredamae Jan 2016 #6

It is who he has been all along. Please see Reply 52 and the post linked in it. merrily Jan 2016 #66

He is a fucking progressive. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #8

It's happening all over this planet whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #10

Uh, yes I do. Why don't you go take it up at a Trump rally. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #13

Why would I take up America's unique failure whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #16

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #19

Because Democrats are supposed to be the ones advocating for this stuff. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #60

When you've got absolutely nothing, imply a poster is a Republican, eh? merrily Jan 2016 #68

That does seem to be the Sanders supporters bread and butter. nt Buzz cook Jan 2016 #128

Even if that one poster were a Sanders' supporter, your comment would have been unfair. merrily Jan 2016 #129

Is it? Buzz cook Jan 2016 #138

Yes, it is. For just one thing, I never called you that. merrily Jan 2016 #141

I never said you did nt Buzz cook Jan 2016 #148

Yet, I am a Bernie supporter and you painted with a broad brush. merrily Jan 2016 #149

"Not all men" Buzz cook Jan 2016 #152

Your broad brush post: merrily Jan 2016 #156

Thats the best you can do? Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #151

Bingo. wilsonbooks Jan 2016 #49

What? No. Almost no countries have Single Payer. Recursion Jan 2016 #115

I love your attitude Dretownblues Jan 2016 #11

I thought the New Democrat motto was "Forward." Maybe it's really "Stand Still" or "Regress?" merrily Jan 2016 #72

In Clinton world Dretownblues Jan 2016 #78

I knew it was sarcasm. I was building from your post, not disagreeing. merrily Jan 2016 #79

OOPS Dretownblues Jan 2016 #80

You didn't screw a thing. You got it right. merrily Jan 2016 #81

haha Dretownblues Jan 2016 #82

My post was not sarcastic. Now, I'm confused. Let's just move on. merrily Jan 2016 #92

Agreed Dretownblues Jan 2016 #95

we can't right now treestar Jan 2016 #132

"We're fighting to at least keep what we've gained." bvf Jan 2016 #15

*****this****** nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #32

Absolutely Scootaloo Jan 2016 #59

It's another "great" Third Way idea Mnpaul Jan 2016 #120

It's a reality treestar Jan 2016 #131

That's the spirit! bvf Jan 2016 #140

You keep on fighting against single payer. 'K? If it ever happens, you will get ZERO credit. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #24

I don't fight against single payer. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #26

You ABSOLUTELY are fighting against single payer. You are telling everyone who will listen that it stillwaiting Jan 2016 #29

Look, you have to realize... MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #35

You are using a weak point of the ACA... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #39

You can't force a doc to accept any plan. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #41

But the majority of Dem voters... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #43

No. they don't. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #47

Yes. They do. ljm2002 Jan 2016 #50

Yes, they do. Polls prove it and what you posted does not negate that. merrily Jan 2016 #97

Look, I realize YOU won't give it up. I got your number. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #40

Tell me, my great stillwaiting... MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #44

We have to restructure our entire health care system. Now tell me it can't be done. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #46

Yes, I agree it's immoral. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #48

Oh you're quite welcome. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #51

Thank you for your last sentence. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #53

I hate when people argue that we're too weak to get something done. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #113

Poster, please. Pols and their shills are hitting SBS on everything, not just this. merrily Jan 2016 #99

"It's hard, so let's not try" Scootaloo Jan 2016 #61

Really deep. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #62

Words suffice to convey the point. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #65

Give me the plan. Lay it out. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #69

You've seen plenty, but you're dedicated to objecting to everything Bernie says or proposes Scootaloo Jan 2016 #71

Haven't seen anything. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #76

Man, this is getting amazing. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #87

Feeltheburn is not a Sanders site. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #89

Uffda, my bad. Still, it has the correct information Scootaloo Jan 2016 #94

BOOM! merrily Jan 2016 #100

Actually, it is. jeff47 Jan 2016 #117

Rallying cry of all fans of New Democrats, too. Please see Reply 72. merrily Jan 2016 #112

Thanks. Employer plans were the Nixon proposal in 1974, forty-one years ago. Time for something more merrily Jan 2016 #90

So you yell at your allies to make sure they don't fight for Medicare for All? merrily Jan 2016 #93

Single payer and universal coverage are not the same thing. mythology Jan 2016 #101

Put payment decisions in the hands of Congress, as opposed to the hands of private insurers? merrily Jan 2016 #102

In the countries with universal coverage, the plans are much more robust compared to what we offer. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #114

Agree. LeatherSofa Jan 2016 #31

Bernie's "healthcare plan" has already happened... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #34

And WE'RE fighting to ADVANCE those gains. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #58

Dean was never a progressive. Search DU for the many posts by joshcryer saying that and see merrily Jan 2016 #67

Ah, gotcha. Sorry, I like Dean. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #73

See Reply 72. Maybe you (New Democrats) take some of the time, energy, bandwidth and air time merrily Jan 2016 #74

uh, OK Merrily. You take care now. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #77

No, now he's a lobbyist for health insurers. jeff47 Jan 2016 #119

I'd say, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #9

My respect for Howard Dean dropped when he said there shouldn't mosques near WTC. Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #14

Without wanting to wade into the Clinton/Sanders wars RFKHumphreyObama Jan 2016 #20

That was shameful. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #37

what did Hillary make Howard do? bigtree Jan 2016 #17

Howard Dean has lost his way. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #18

Howard, always a centrist, knows what is good for Howard. merrily Jan 2016 #85

He's a pragmatic progressive. Probably comes from actually running a fucking state. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #21

How long since Howard Dean held a real position other than DNC head which he was replaced appalachiablue Jan 2016 #91

Forget that, Dean's a lobbyist/advisor for a major public policy firm that works appalachiablue Jan 2016 #116

Maybe from being born into a Wall Street family with a pied a terre on Park Avenue and loving him merrily Jan 2016 #103

running a fucking state right next door to a working 1payer healthcare system, that is MisterP Jan 2016 #124

"Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me." senz Jan 2016 #22

Born into a Wall Street family, his one liberal issue was health care and he merrily Jan 2016 #104

Dean was never really progressive, it's just that by being strongly anti Iraq war jfern Jan 2016 #25

BINGO. Makes me wonder if he was ever really against the Iraq War or if he simply thought merrily Jan 2016 #105

"What happened to Howard Dean?" is the question that might have been asked in 2004 Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #30

imho Dea never pretended to be anything he wasn't. However a lot of people projected their own views emulatorloo Jan 2016 #33

I agree. IN 2004 I sort of supported him - because he was the most visable candidate Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #42

Nothing happened to him. LeatherSofa Jan 2016 #36

Conviction? SHRED Jan 2016 #86

He took a job as a shill for Hillary Bernblu Jan 2016 #38

Howard Dean has always been a privileged centrist. merrily Jan 2016 #52

Bernie has by far the lowest NRA rating of any major Vermont politician jfern Jan 2016 #106

He Got Crushed By The Media-Wing Of The Oligarchs... WillyT Jan 2016 #55

Not a thing. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #63

He's been handed his hat and told to sit on the sidelines... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #70

Must be some money somewhere for him in the deal, or a cabinet position perhaps? jalan48 Jan 2016 #75

Dean never recovered Geronimoe Jan 2016 #83

Dean has money SHRED Jan 2016 #84

The proleft demands that all bow to their shyster pony of the moment. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #88

"Proleft"? "Shyster pony"? Scootaloo Jan 2016 #96

yeah that was an "interesting" post. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #98

Hie thee to the Far Right from whence thou comest. senz Jan 2016 #108

Please post more often FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #136

I'm still in favour of a 50 state strategy. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #111

He now works as a health insurance lobbyist. jeff47 Jan 2016 #118

He's another disappointment Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #123

those that sell out have little to offer olddots Jan 2016 #125

Nothing Buzz cook Jan 2016 #127

He is looking great. He is a progressive. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #133

You Should Google His Name And See What Lobbyist Company ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #157

I'm awake. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #162

He was faking it, just like Hill is now, manipulating us with fake Populism RiverLover Jan 2016 #134

Howard Dean is a progressive Gothmog Jan 2016 #135

You are right! mylye2222 Jan 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #154