2016 Postmortem

sulphurdunn

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71. They start negotiating for less than half of half a loaf,

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:19 PM

Jan 2016

and have conditioned their followers to be grateful for any crumbs that finally fall from the master's table. If anyone grumbles, they are told they were lucky to get what they got and to be pragmatic about it. That's the Third Way Democratic Party way.

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It's kind of surreal to see all these threads on DU attacking Single Payer [View all] Quixote1818 Jan 2016 OP

and linking to right wing sources to do it even! m-lekktor Jan 2016 #1

I know - it's like bizarro world around here. Vinca Jan 2016 #2

You're a whole commie to me! cui bono Jan 2016 #14

The wind has been blowing in a different direction hifiguy Jan 2016 #45

Just remember Plucketeer Jan 2016 #76

Can you please point to posters on this board DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #3

It isn't so much opposition as it is that they think it is unachievable, so they oppose it now. n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #24

Some have been acclimated to the notion that "good enough" is the best we can reasonably expect. Bubzer Jan 2016 #33

And they have adopted preemptive surrender hifiguy Jan 2016 #47

They start negotiating for less than half of half a loaf, sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #71

Shit, they give away everything but the heel of the loaf hifiguy Jan 2016 #74

The followers get crumbs Deny and Shred Jan 2016 #75

some don't seem to understand PatrynXX Jan 2016 #70

No we don't oppose it, and applaud Bernie for advocating for it. Fla Dem Jan 2016 #54

Bernie has never said it would be anything other than a fight. And would have to wait for JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #60

The same that post it is unachievable are the same that post.... Hotler Jan 2016 #81

Thank you! Amimnoch Jan 2016 #91

Whose straw man? Cartoonist Jan 2016 #101

See post 91. NT hueymahl Jan 2016 #98

The Clinton candidacy has made flip-floppers ... earthside Jan 2016 #4

Paradigm Shift: Trump pulls RW towards fascism, anti-single payer pull Dems towards Reagan. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #63

That's how far Hillbies will go floriduck Jan 2016 #5

Exactly right- it's not about helping people it's about Hillary, Hillary, Hillary! Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #18

Listened to a small portion tazkcmo Jan 2016 #69

Bingo! eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #93

...^ that 840high Jan 2016 #78

Bingo. hifiguy Jan 2016 #48

To be fair, it is only a small although quite vocal group on DU. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #6

Them and the likely Democratic nominee for President Z_California Jan 2016 #83

Looking much more unlikely these days. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #85

Things are definitely looking up Z_California Jan 2016 #87

Being grounded is highly overrated. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #88

If the party line is "dogshit is yummy" guess what's for dinner? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #7

Chihuahua crap appetizers, Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #12

Thanks for dinner Uncle Joe! cui bono Jan 2016 #15

Uncle Joe... yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #43

Guy Fieri would eat it up! LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2016 #46

yuiyoshida Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #50

Don't tell me you are wasting yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #52

Of course not, Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #56

I really think yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #58

Considering global warming climate change Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #67

That sounds about right, Uncle Joe. hifiguy Jan 2016 #51

The fickleness is rampant here lately. Some are loyal to a fault. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #8

Agree. THere seems to be a lot of NO, WE CAN'T! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #9

Hillary's dragging the Party & DU back 20 years. Single-payer? Too hard. No way. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #10

Well, I don't want to read toooooo much into it... Wilms Jan 2016 #11

I think many have had that thought...therein lies the new chasm in Democratic Party politics. libdem4life Jan 2016 #13

Damn! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #44

Pantsuitrepublic... Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #16

I've seen several bragging about how great their insurance is now. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #17

This is why I can't tolerate them. malokvale77 Jan 2016 #57

That is the epitome of Republicanism and the antithesis of liberalism. senz Jan 2016 #99

This is why we have to work our asses off to make sure Bernie beats Hillary. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #19

+ 1000 orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #22

Single Celled Amoebas are more discerning, It's about Who has worked for people more than themselves orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #20

My sentiments exactly! dpatbrown Jan 2016 #21

Oh for fuck sake... MrWendel Jan 2016 #23

False argument. Who said anything about repealing the ACA and starting over? fbc Jan 2016 #26

Because the foundation isn't really good - it doesn't fit the new floorplan. jeff47 Jan 2016 #29

+1 kristopher Jan 2016 #89

Uhhh, if single payer becomes law; greiner3 Jan 2016 #31

Eeyup. hifiguy Jan 2016 #53

I suspect they know this, internally Kall Jan 2016 #92

It is bizzare... SoapBox Jan 2016 #25

I think that's a misrepresentation. malthaussen Jan 2016 #27

Been on DU for 12 years. Never seen anything like it nradisic Jan 2016 #28

... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #30

Lemmings is the perfect analogy. nt malokvale77 Jan 2016 #62

"We've always be at war at war with Single Payer" Babel_17 Jan 2016 #32

Hillbots have declared her empresses and anything that challenges the throne Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #34

Much truth there, FtB. hifiguy Jan 2016 #59

I'm glad I haven't been around much. Ugh. HuckleB Jan 2016 #35

Marching orders. bvf Jan 2016 #36

If Clinton's agin' it, they're agin' it. Iggo Jan 2016 #37

There's just something nutty about it. senz Jan 2016 #103

I'd love Medicare for all. It would benefit me personally. JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #38

If Bernie Sanders were for puppies we would have 10 threads an hour about "the puppy menance" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #39

I think I may have seen one, not "all these". George II Jan 2016 #40

I'm still waiting for someone to answer DSB, upthread. murielm99 Jan 2016 #73

Must be from the same cast of characters in my ignore list because I am not seeing any of it. corkhead Jan 2016 #41

I'm at 107 Hillbots ignored. Life is great! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #49

I took all of mine off last week. It didn't feel right having all of those people on a "list" Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #90

Once the primaries are decided, I'll take them off. Then its circle the wagon time. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #97

anything to maintain the status quo and keep power in the familys...... bowens43 Jan 2016 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author etherealtruth Jan 2016 #55

We've transformed ourseleves into the moderate Republican party... raindaddy Jan 2016 #61

I remember when ACA was sold as an incremental step toward single payer. pa28 Jan 2016 #64

I was not impressed by Hilary attacking Bernie's desire for single payer healthcare! DrewFlorida Jan 2016 #65

This "newbie" is sick of this shit & basically DONE with DU. See ya. NT slumcamper Jan 2016 #66

I guess if that what you feel is the position you have to take in order to defend OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #68

Most are attacking it because it's not going to happen. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #72

We are seeing the third way rip off the mask - TBF Jan 2016 #77

For sure... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #79

The rightward drift of the party Z_California Jan 2016 #80

DU has taught me LWolf Jan 2016 #82

DU has been a horrible eye-opener for me senz Jan 2016 #102

The shame is all on Hillary Utopian Leftist Jan 2016 #84

If the Queen of half measures isn't for it, they're against it. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #95

This post is disruptive and hurtful..... Hotler Jan 2016 #86

I do have my concerns.... Adrahil Jan 2016 #94

Apparently. blackspade Jan 2016 #96

Just like the hyper surveillance state, war and a host of other issues..... marmar Jan 2016 #100

Locking.. one_voice Jan 2016 #104