2016 Postmortem

Thenewire

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169. I agree, capitalism is a massive failure.

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:44 PM

Jan 2016

It can only take society so far until greed overcomes common sense but we must also be realistic. There is absolutely no way that Sander's ideas could be implemented in this country when we have to deal with extremists who think that the government is the problem and the talk about him being honest is the same argument racist garbage use to justify supporting trump. No politician is ever honest or trustworthy, that's why they became politicians. Sander's is not a numbers guy, he is just a populist like any other who says what the electorate on his wing want to hear and he knows very well that none of his proposals have a chance. He has been a politician for nearly 4 decades, he can't possibly be so gullible enough to think that he would reach some agreement with republicans to pass any measure. Unless it is some misguided vote to audit the feds and introduce the gold standard. If you buy into the belief that Sander's is honest then you might just as well be supporting Trump.

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Hillary's new slogan: No We Can't! [View all] HerbChestnut Jan 2016 OP

I think she lost the nomination last night. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #1

She certainly lost the general election last night.... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #2

I never thought she had a chance in the general Kalidurga Jan 2016 #4

How can Sanders possibly get the majority of independents? Thenewire Jan 2016 #63

I don't think I said he would Kalidurga Jan 2016 #64

Spoken like a true repuke Duckfan Jan 2016 #71

yeah. Bernie is BEATING the pugs by as much as 19 points in polls. These are the weezes of roguevalley Jan 2016 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #162

Sanders is polling well against all of the right wing extremists. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #73

He actually polls better with independents. kenfrequed Jan 2016 #76

If you have not been welcomed, welcome to DU. Now, as to Independents, IMHO libdem4life Jan 2016 #96

The Right Wing will try to brand Hillary as a "Socialist Commie" too, bvar22 Jan 2016 #110

Independents and Conservatives will vote for Bernie for one reason RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #116

I agree, capitalism is a massive failure. Thenewire Jan 2016 #169

OK so tell me RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #172

He is selling you on a proposal that will never happen. Thenewire Jan 2016 #180

+1 JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #181

The only way that it will never happen RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #183

I have a poll that say different. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #132

Wow. Are you sure you are on the right board? concreteblue Jan 2016 #138

The same way he is getting so many of the 63% eridani Jan 2016 #156

I am an Independent, and bullsnarfle Jan 2016 #165

If not for independents voting for republicans. Thenewire Jan 2016 #170

we can afford war but we can't afford peace, so sayeth HRC roguevalley Jan 2016 #74

how is it that they can live the lavish life and we can't have even the smallest consideration roguevalley Jan 2016 #78

wish someone would say this to her face. hopemountain Jan 2016 #135

You know to never count out a Clinton 7962 Jan 2016 #47

And blow smoke in everyone's eyes while the refs aren't looking votesparks Jan 2016 #59

Thanks for getting the reference! 7962 Jan 2016 #62

It's all kabuki theatre. Vattel Jan 2016 #113

From your keyboard to the ears of voters in poll booths. merrily Jan 2016 #54

"No we can't". Hillary agrees with the GOP on that. eom John Poet Jan 2016 #94

CLINTON WAS AWESOME LAST NIGHT. You don't realize that because you hate her trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #95

We don't hate her. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #117

I thought she sounded like a typical politician smiley Jan 2016 #119

awesome performance as a hard hearted hopemountain Jan 2016 #137

IT WAS PRETTY AWESOME Iggy Knorr Jan 2016 #164

I think her slogan is olddots Jan 2016 #3

Yep Kalidurga Jan 2016 #5

clinton 2016 restorefreedom Jan 2016 #28

More like eat your cake and choke it down davidpdx Jan 2016 #139

and don't call paramedics if you choke cuz they ain't comin nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #144

Excellent! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #49

Indeed. All of this. hifiguy Jan 2016 #121

The remedy for "No You Can't" saidsimplesimon Jan 2016 #166

Well, to pledge herself to specific positive goals would be so unlike a Clinton Proserpina Jan 2016 #6

True, maybe it should be "I'm not SURE we can" instead! 7962 Jan 2016 #48

There is a certain "I've got mine, sucks to be you" attitude toward certain segments, to be sure. nt libdem4life Jan 2016 #99

As someone who just leans Sanders this debate pushed me solidly in the Sanders camp. gordianot Jan 2016 #7

Excellent post, you're 100% correct. Avalux Jan 2016 #8

We Would Have Never Gotten ACA If We Took Hillary's Attitude..... global1 Jan 2016 #10

"How can anyone vote for that?" BillZBubb Jan 2016 #12

I think many of them are members here. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #13

That "Democrats can't will ----" was proven untrue when jwirr Jan 2016 #52

"How can anyone vote for that?" Easy. antigop Jan 2016 #14

this is the heart of it SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #41

aaaannnnnd number 3: tabasco Jan 2016 #125

Hillary: Sorry, I'm not the pie-in-the-sky candidate. oasis Jan 2016 #9

More like... 99Forever Jan 2016 #67

Good one. libdem4life Jan 2016 #101

It's funny... Use Obama when needed... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #11

Hillary is not a risk we can afford. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #15

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #16

Someone good with photoshop needs to make this slogan into a graphic GummyBearz Jan 2016 #17

How about this ... GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #145

Yes, we can't! Just to cover all bases, you know... Helen Borg Jan 2016 #18

K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #19

She is just taking orders from her Geronimoe Jan 2016 #20

That was the head of the Committee, Max Baucus, .... bvar22 Jan 2016 #46

To add to this Rilgin Jan 2016 #102

Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas also played a pivotal obstructionist role. bvar22 Jan 2016 #109

Totally Agree Rilgin Jan 2016 #111

I agree beltanefauve Jan 2016 #171

~ NO WE CAN'T! NO WE CAN'T! USA! USA! ~ appalachiablue Jan 2016 #21

Thanks for this^^^^ zentrum Jan 2016 #57

For sure. *Canadian politician TOMMY DOUGLAS (1904-1986) who I did a couple appalachiablue Jan 2016 #70

Clinton 2016 - "It's Good Enough for You!" Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #22

HA! 7962 Jan 2016 #50

"Be Grateful for the Crumbs I'm Willing to Throw You." Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #92

LOL! Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #93

The common touch of Marie Antoinette hifiguy Jan 2016 #122

Don't count her out as she has over half the delegates needed already 4dsc Jan 2016 #23

in this climate, if the supers even think restorefreedom Jan 2016 #27

If Hillary wins because of superdelegates retrowire Jan 2016 #33

CAREFUL liberalnarb Jan 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalnarb Jan 2016 #39

Learning my political leanings, retrowire Jan 2016 #40

Oh, voting red will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER be on the table. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #44

Does that mean a write-in if HRC steals the nomination? nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #141

Write in for who? liberalnarb Jan 2016 #143

LOL because any republican would be better than Lieberman mdbl Jan 2016 #153

NO! liberalnarb Jan 2016 #154

i think if they go nuclear they know they are toast restorefreedom Jan 2016 #91

won't happen. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #100

if they pull that particular trigger the party will have openly said that it doesn't matter what the MisterP Jan 2016 #79

yup. exactly. my guess is they will play it stealthily restorefreedom Jan 2016 #90

again, they'd give up power for control, and is also exactly the same stunt the Center MisterP Jan 2016 #97

going to be a big mess for him to clean up restorefreedom Jan 2016 #107

The only delegates Clinton currently has SheilaT Jan 2016 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author MrChuck Jan 2016 #24

Well, it's a lock that we definitely can't do anything but get beat down even Zorra Jan 2016 #25

bernie is exuding positivity and activism. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #26

This is so spot on! nt Quixote1818 Jan 2016 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author MrChuck Jan 2016 #30

I'm sorry Hillary. retrowire Jan 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author MrChuck Jan 2016 #32

Yet the common retort to our goal-setting is ejbr Jan 2016 #34

K&R The Can't Do campaign. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #35

K/R UglyGreed Jan 2016 #36

That's not a Debbie Downer campaign: it's a Debbie Wassermann Schutz campaign! eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #37

That's freakin' hilarious. And so true. valerief Jan 2016 #42

I love the top post. It really resonates with me. Thank you ... Jarqui Jan 2016 #43

It's closer to 10% of Americans without health insurance Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #163

I can't stand the throwing in the towel mentality. Vinca Jan 2016 #45

"No We Can't" is sounding a lot like "Stay the course." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #51

She's a sensible progressive. Bailing out Wall Street banksters-no prob. Perpetual war-doable. merrily Jan 2016 #53

I don't know what is attractive about no healthcare improvements, onecaliberal Jan 2016 #55

It's sad but true LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2016 #56

Thank you Last Lib. Just what we needed! Bohunk68 Jan 2016 #65

Shamelessly swiped hifiguy Jan 2016 #123

Another is, "It's either me or the Republicans win!" Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #58

she really thinks attacking SS and Medicare are great moves that'll double her audience MisterP Jan 2016 #60

I've been wondering what the election efforts of the DWS/HRC will show. With such a tight libdem4life Jan 2016 #104

Man that's so true. Devastating really. thereismore Jan 2016 #61

She never seems to learn. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #66

I'm thinking this will cost her the election. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #68

Just watched the debate and I wholeheartedly agree Auggie Jan 2016 #69

Her reasoning for not wanting single payer was puzzling AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #72

If only she took the same view with wars . TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #105

"Hey 99% Americans: you can't have nice things so shut up and vote for me." -love, Hillary Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #80

If Hillary were in "This Modern World", I think she would be a very sensible woodchuck democrat. xocet Jan 2016 #81

That group is policed with a vigor hifiguy Jan 2016 #85

Das ist mir jetzt ganz klar! (That is totally clear to me now!) n/t xocet Jan 2016 #86

Two sides to that coin. Thor_MN Jan 2016 #149

May the Democratic Party candidates win in this next election! That is about all one can say. n/t xocet Jan 2016 #175

Sadly, No We Can't has been America's motto for years now Dems to Win Jan 2016 #82

it's the Apathy Singalong.... nashville_brook Jan 2016 #103

Her slogan should be the following: Nedsdag Jan 2016 #83

I'm sure the money can be found, however, hifiguy Jan 2016 #84

+1. Bernie brought up the massive US military budget in this debate, verboten and appalachiablue Jan 2016 #168

That's what her supporters on DU keep saying. cui bono Jan 2016 #87

Hillary's chant Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #88

K & R AzDar Jan 2016 #89

fired up and ready to fold nashville_brook Jan 2016 #98

I must have wandered on to RU by mistake n/t DFW Jan 2016 #106

Hillary understands reality, Progressive dog Jan 2016 #108

Hopefully it costs her the nomination before she has a chance of it costing her the election corkhead Jan 2016 #112

I'm stealing your post. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #114

Go right ahead. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #115

thanks! hopemountain Jan 2016 #136

True! SoapBox Jan 2016 #118

K&R Paka Jan 2016 #120

Good thing JFK didn't feel that way hifiguy Jan 2016 #124

Indeed. eom saltpoint Jan 2016 #127

Word !!! - This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things... WillyT Jan 2016 #128

As I said elsewhere. hifiguy Jan 2016 #129

Ouch !!! - LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #131

Spread it around. hifiguy Jan 2016 #134

Hillary's campaign could probably use saltpoint Jan 2016 #126

It's all about the $$$ hifiguy Jan 2016 #130

Yep. The Clintons are no strangers to saltpoint Jan 2016 #133

a living wage? no we can't! hopemountain Jan 2016 #140

Supporting the Military Industrial Complex, YES WE CAN. nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #142

more like, "No We Won't" Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #146

No we can't but I can rake in millions in speaking fees. Bernblu Jan 2016 #147

No We Can't! John Poet Jan 2016 #148

Traditional Democratic values? No. We. Can't. senz Jan 2016 #150

Sanders introduced a single payer bill in 2009 -- it died, as did Vermont's attempt to enact SP. Hoyt Jan 2016 #151

In 2009, marriage equality wasn't doing so well either eridani Jan 2016 #157

He can keep coming back with the same old dead legislation, go home and celebrate his bravado, while Hoyt Jan 2016 #173

By all means let's never demand anything from our government for the 99% eridani Jan 2016 #177

By all means, let's stand firm and fail on this one. Hoyt Jan 2016 #178

Like legal MJ and marriage equality, you fail until you succeed eridani Jan 2016 #179

No We Can't! HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #158

GOP Light sellitman Jan 2016 #152

Kicked and recommended! I was happy to cast the 300th recommendation. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #155

She Squints A Lot billhicks76 Jan 2016 #159

Yes we can! punkvoterdewd Jan 2016 #160

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #161

Hillary Rider3 Jan 2016 #167

Nope Fawke Em Jan 2016 #174

Hillary is Big Money's firewall. Maedhros Jan 2016 #176

She, of all people, knows who really runs the show deutsey Jan 2016 #182

Here's my contribution to the meme! RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #184